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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army if the game

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is rigged change the game

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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today's tuesday march 5th

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2019 64 days into the new year 301 days

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california and i would like to welcome

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everybody listening all around the world

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the game changer network in kgra the

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planet i am your host jimmy church what

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man oh man oh man

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tonight i've got some things to say i'm

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i'm gonna kick it off with tonight we

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have very special guest mitch horowitz

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is here live from new york city

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we're gonna talk about his two books

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and other things as well but his two

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books occult america one simple idea how

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positive thinking reshaped modern life

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and the miracle club how thoughts become

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reality

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i'm gonna discuss some of this in just a

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bit stay with me tomorrow night

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is our soul tech special events

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featuring the premiere of our

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documentary it is called boarding

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benevolence it was shot last year in

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august

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up at e-city ranch that premieres

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tomorrow night cannot wait for it okay

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thursday

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long you can follow me on

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still hanging over on facebook

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twitter any questions or comments

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for myself or our guest tonight mitch

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horowitz you can uh do hashtag f2bq

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as you know everything is live in front

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breaking news i've got a lot to talk

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about tonight it's going to be a busy

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so let me get all of this stuff in

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volvo

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synonymous with automobile safety

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worldwide

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will limit the top speed of all of its

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they're boxy

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that's right

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check this out spacex ceo elon musk

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believes that a moon base should be

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that's right before his company

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heads to mars

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i'm quoting from elon here quote yeah

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yeah you need to get there that's the

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big deal i think starship will also be

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good for creating a base on the moon

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we'll probably have a base on the moon

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before going to mars and quote

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that's right next up the national

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security agency

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has stopped using a surveillance program

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in recent months that relied on bulk

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requires reauthorization at the end of

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the year and the trump administration

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may not seek to extend it and this is

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according to luke murray national

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security adviser to house minority

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murray's comments came on a podcast

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produced by law fair a national security

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legal affairs website

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we'll see spying on u.s citizens and

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remember up until a couple of months ago

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that's apparently

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uh what they did now do we trust the nsa

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with this have they stopped or they is a

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i don't know but we'll see we'll see

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what happens it's got to get re-upped

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and reauthorized by trump by the end of

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the year so we'll see

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happy birthday to today former chili

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pepper and guitar virtuoso john

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fusciante today is 48 years old case you

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didn't know this he was in the peppers

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happy birthday john our dead guy's

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birthday today is

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andy gibb

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1958-1988 died at the age of 30 of

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course brother of barry robin and

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maurice who had some pretty big hits of

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his own i was cranking him today here in

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the bunker i just want to be your

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everything and i know readers down the

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hall going what is jimmy listening to

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but i did

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love is thicker than water that's what

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i'm talking about

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andy gibb on march 10th

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1988 and he felt a pain in his chest

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goes to the hospital

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and andy's doctor told him

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that morning that more tests were needed

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to determine the cause of his chest

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pains

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later that day he just slumped over went

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unconscious and died

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that's right

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he died as the result of a

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myocarditis an inflammation of the heart

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muscle caused by a recent viral

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infection absolutely incredible happy

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birthday andy i hope you're up there

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listening man your stuff is incredible

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absolutely incredible on this day in

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history 1969 jim morrison is charged

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with lewd behavior at a miami concert

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when morrison first got word of the

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charges he thought that it was a

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practical joke but suny he learned

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that miami authorities were very serious

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because they added an additional charge

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of simulated oral copulation on

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guitarist robbie krieger

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during the same show

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that's right and also on this day in

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1982 i need a moment of silence

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jim belushi john belushi jim belushi

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john belushi dies of an overdose at the

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chateau marmont in los angeles

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california fader fact

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uranus

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has 27 moons

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all of these moons are named after the

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characters from the works of william

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shakespeare

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and alexander pope

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and that is your favorite fader fact

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tonight

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mitch horowitz is here we're talking

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going to talk about his two books

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and talk a little bit about soul tech

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too but it's two books occult america

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one simple idea how positive thinking

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reshaped modern life and

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the miracle club how

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you ready how thoughts become reality

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which is what i want to talk about right

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now

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as i hit this river moon coffee and let

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me tell you something

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when you hear what i have to say right

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now you'll understand my love

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for river moon coffee and everything

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that juanita and jeff get done for us

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and for all of you every single day i

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need this coffee i need it

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because

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can you change your own reality

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the answer is simple of course you can

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of course you can and it's easier than

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you think

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when

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especially for the first time

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most think that it's like magic or that

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it's fake that one day you light some

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candles and you chant a few lines from

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from some secret book and then bam

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the next day you wake up and everything

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is changed

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right

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and no sadly

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it doesn't work this way

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usually

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well

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i'm sure it's happened to someone in the

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past because anything is possible right

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okay i'm i'm hip to that

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but changing your reality is work

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it's real work

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and

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11 years ago

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i decided to change mine

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i'm gonna say this

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be careful what you wish for

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okay

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seriously

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today

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i was at the doctor

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this morning

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for a chronic ear issue

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that hasn't gone away for over seven

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months

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and it's nearly driven me insane

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okay

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and it's in the inner ear it's not the

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outer ear it's in the inner ear you

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can't get to it you can't do anything

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and it is

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constantly

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clogged

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and i can hear

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fluid

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moving around in my head

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all day all night

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it has not stopped

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we've been trying to fix it

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i don't talk about it

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nobody knows about this

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right

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last week

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i had an allergic reaction to

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antibiotics that i was taking for this

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ear thing

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and my head blew up into a pumpkin

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that's right i was pumpkin head

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and all this was going on while i'm

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fighting this stupid ear thing and i'm

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telling you

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over the last six or seven months

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dealing with this has caused my nights

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to be merely void of sleep

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right

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through all of it i work

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and i work a lot

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everything that i do out there is

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is for the world to see everybody knows

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my schedule everybody knows what i am

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doing

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everybody knows that there are no real

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days off

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you either see me here or hear me here

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see me here

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i'm over at coast i'm over taping for

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history channel i'm over uh at a

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conference somewhere

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i'm always every single day working

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working through this insanity

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and i'm not complaining

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right

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but there are no days off and they are

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rare when i get them

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everything that was sort of normal you

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know weekends off and holidays

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you know a cycle that made sense

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those are totally gone it's been gone

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for 11 years

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now i wanted to change my reality

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and i did

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you can do it it

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works but what it has turned into

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is nearly trend 10 straight years of

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madness

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i'm not complaining

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i ask for it

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i realize that there are

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so many out there

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who would do anything to be in the

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position that rita and i are in right

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now i understand that we've got an

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amazing audience

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right we've got a great network

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we've got an amazing show that's so much

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fun to do every single day and much more

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important we've earned your respect

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and all of this comes from hard work we

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have never stopped anyone out there who

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has put in the effort that it takes to

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pull off something like this

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will tell you

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that they are tired they are exhausted

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and they are bordering on crazy

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but they wouldn't change a thing

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and we won't either

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so when you hear me say these words

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tonight or you see me on stage somewhere

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smiling and happy remember this

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i'm here for you

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it's all of you that give me the

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strength to fight through the lack of

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sleep i'm deaf in one ear

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barely keeping my wits about me and what

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drives me is it and takes my mind off

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the madness of this world in my head and

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what's going on in my health

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is preparing for this show

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getting ready for you the audience and

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00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:53,520
then going through three hours of the

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show i'm able to not think about the

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madness of the world

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i'm just hanging out with you i my ear i

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don't like right now the craziness of my

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this thing that's been going on for over

490
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a half a year

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i'm not even thinking about it

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saying something like this this personal

493
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may seem strange

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because i never talk about this stuff

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but i wanted to change my reality and

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this reality where i am today

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is that i can speak about this to all of

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you

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because of this show and and our desire

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to change the world that rita and i were

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in so many years ago

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you know this morning

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this morning i was at a doctor's office

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trying to desperately find the magic

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cure for something that's been going on

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which seems like now forever

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so i could get back to the studio and

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prepare for the show tonight and act

509
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:58,240
like nothing is going on

510
00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:00,080
right i come on the show how to feed the

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black

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bespoke radio

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right

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through today to get here what i went

515
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through last night after the show just

516
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trying to get to sleep

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fighting what's going on in my head

518
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desperately trying to get through the

519
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night so i can get up in the morning get

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to the doctor's office get into the

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video

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so remember

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things are never what they seem

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and tomorrow is always a brand new day

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i will change this reality this crazy

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thing that has been going on with me

527
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somehow seriously and i know

528
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that part of what is going on with me is

529
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the fact that we worked so hard to get

530
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where we are at

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okay rita and i ran ourselves into the

532
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ground

533
00:22:05,909 --> 00:22:03,200
you know and through all of all of this

534
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:05,919
just trying to stay in our lane

535
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:08,000
you know trying to put on a great show

536
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:11,440
and have fun and discover and and

537
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knowledge and and all these amazing

538
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guests and all of this the torture

539
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,559
that has been brought down

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on uh on rita

541
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,559
from those out there that want to

542
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,720
complain about the show or talk about

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00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,520
her or talk about me and and we've got

544
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this and we've got that if you know what

545
00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,679
i am dealing with so much to get the

546
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show on the air every single day and and

547
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whatever goes into it it's the reality

548
00:22:41,029 --> 00:22:39,039
that i chose

549
00:22:43,110 --> 00:22:41,039
you know and fighting those forces out

550
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,120
there that don't know us or don't do

551
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,799
anything else meanwhile we're dealing

552
00:22:48,870 --> 00:22:46,640
with everything else rita's got to deal

553
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:48,880
with my insanity

554
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:51,120
she's got to put up with me every single

555
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day she she looks at me she knows i'm

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not healthy

557
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and she knows yesterday before the show

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yesterday yesterday morning cancel the

559
00:23:05,590 --> 00:23:03,600
show cancel the week you can't do this

560
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,600
every single night just cancel

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00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,120
everything

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00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,520
jimmy you can't continue no rita we have

563
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the audience we have responsibilities of

564
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this and

565
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,919
and and i'm able to not think about

566
00:23:17,830 --> 00:23:16,000
what's going on please just you know

567
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:17,840
and and she's watching me suffer through

568
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:20,000
all of this meanwhile we're getting

569
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stupid attacks from absolute retards out

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there that want to say this about me or

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this about my wife and meanwhile

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i've had lack of sleep and everything

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else and i just want to lash out but i

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have to be professional i got to be cool

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we are we play the game at a different

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level from where we are at we're not

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going to stoop down to those levels but

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i want to protect what is mine

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you know and and going through all of

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this

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it's just about getting on the air each

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night

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and and having fun and just forgetting

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about everything else

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and that is

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what you get

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when you change your reality

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we wanted this we asked for it and i am

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not complaining

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but i just want you to know what i went

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through today what i went through last

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night what i went through the night

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before every single night for the last

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seven months

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no sleep

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nothing insanity

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i'll take you back every conference that

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i have done

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this year out there in public i had an

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ear infection i'm going back to my room

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every hour and dealing with this

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and going back out and smiling and

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sitting down and hanging out with all of

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you you guys don't know what's going on

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you guys don't have a any idea what i

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went through at soul tech and i had to

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fly on a plane and this thing it was

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insane

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knew you know who knew nurse nancy and

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stacy

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taking me back to my rv i'm laying down

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and the medical procedures that they

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were doing on me in there would freak

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you out just so i could get up go out

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and get it done and smile and hang out

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and you gave me the energy to do that

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and that's what that's what we go

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through i ask for it i ask for this

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reality

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so that's it

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okay i i love all of you i have the

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energy at the beginning of this show

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tonight i want to make this clear at the

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beginning of the show tonight you didn't

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know what i was going to talk about

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right now i just came off with the nice

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fade to black and let's do this and we

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got mitch horowitz on tomorrow night is

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soul tech rah rah rah rah team the

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reality is a little bit different

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and you guys give me the energy to fight

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through it all so i'm here to thank you

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thank you i mean you guys have carried

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me carried me on your back for the last

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seven months and i hope that with all of

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your energy everything that you guys can

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00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,440
manifest

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let's just focus on the stupid ear of

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mine it's my left ear inside my head by

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the way i wish you what's on the outside

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throw something on it and let it go away

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00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,640
it's not

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you know let's get rid of this thing

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let's change this reality that i'm in

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and hopefully maybe tomorrow

646
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:21,840
for the first time

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in in over a half a year i'll go i feel

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better

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all right

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so tonight it's mitch bleepin horowitz

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is here to talk about changing your

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reality

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you can do it i did it

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don't you want to be me

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[Laughter]

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yeah you do

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you do and you can

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whatever it is around you that you want

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00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:53,840
to change you can do it and mitch

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horowitz is here to talk about it i'm

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going to get out of here and take a

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quick break this is fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church

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you can email me right now jimmy

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the planet i'm your host jimmy church

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this is fade to black i'll be right back

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mitch horwitz stay with me

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matson you're listening to jimmy church

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all right welcome back fade to black oh

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this has the cell phone mount to record

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right there check it out uh give alec

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straight through he is a fate or not

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tonight our guest mitch horowitz he is a

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writer in residence at the new york

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public library lecturer in residence at

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the university of philosophical research

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right here in los angeles and the pen

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award-winning author of books including

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occult america one simple idea how

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00:33:23,830 --> 00:33:20,799
positive thinking reshaped modern life

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and the miracle club how thoughts become

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reality i have both books i have read

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them i recommend them he has written on

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everything from the war on witches to

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the secret life of ronald reagan for the

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new york times the wall street journal

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the washington post salontime.com and

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politico the washington post says mitch

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and i'm quoting treats esoteric ideas

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and movements with an even-handed

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intellectual studiousness that is too

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00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:51,760
often lost in today's raised voice

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discussions mitch has discussed

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00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:56,880
alternative spirituality on cbs sunday

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00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,080
morning dateline nbc npr's all things

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00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:02,559
considered cnn and throughout all of the

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00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,320
national media including right here on

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00:34:10,149 --> 00:34:07,679
fade to black the chinese government has

807
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,159
censored his work and that says it all

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00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,320
right there mitch welcome back my friend

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00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,679
how are you

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00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,679
thank you my man very glad to be here

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it's it's always good to hear your voice

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00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,800
now look mitch before we get started

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you're on with us tonight

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tomorrow

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you go from new york to l.a you're in

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00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:28,399
los angeles tomorrow night what are you

817
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:30,639
doing here in town

818
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,240
in fact i'm leaving in about two hours

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to go to los angeles i'm going to be

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speaking

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uh thursday through saturday at manly p

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hall's mystery school in the griffith

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park neighborhood we're kicking it off

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00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,679
with a lecture on thursday night called

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unvanquished angels about america's

826
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:50,960
not-so-forgotten occult heroes

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00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:52,800
and continuing with another lecture on

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friday night about hermetic spirituality

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uh saturday i'm giving a all a workshop

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in the afternoon called the miracle club

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which deals with mind power techniques

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and also friday afternoon i'm going to

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be reading tarot cards for people

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talking about the history of tarot and

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other great things in manly hawk library

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if you go to

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uprs.edu

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buy tickets and it's just going to be

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wonderful it's a gathering of great

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friends with a lot of esoteric

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exploration i can't wait and could you

842
00:35:29,430 --> 00:35:27,599
do me a favor mitch i hate to say this

843
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:29,440
live on the air but can i get you to

844
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,119
speak closer

845
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,160
uh to your phone uh or take me or take

846
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,040
me off of speaker one or the other

847
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,280
oh you're you're off the speaker never

848
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,280
speaker for you jimmy oh now there you

849
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:43,280
are there you are there you are okay all

850
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:44,880
right all right

851
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,320
um this is this is what uh i want to

852
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:50,560
discuss tonight um i don't know if you

853
00:35:56,870 --> 00:35:52,960
heard my opening rant earlier

854
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,880
but um about changing your reality i did

855
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:58,640
i did just that

856
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,839
and 11 years ago rita and i were at a

857
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:04,000
point in our lives where we were like

858
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,520
okay you know what

859
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:07,040
this ain't working

860
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:09,280
you know and and let's

861
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:11,040
let's do

862
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:14,320
what we want to do i mean epic

863
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:15,520
changes

864
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,680
you know going from uh a certain

865
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,160
lifestyle and it's you know the things

866
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:22,240
that we were doing and raising our kids

867
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:25,040
and doing it and just took a right-hand

868
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:28,480
turn and literally changed everything

869
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,640
from top to bottom so when somebody says

870
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,400
you know they're frustrated or they're

871
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,560
this you know it's up to you you can't

872
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:36,640
blame the world right

873
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,720
right right

874
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:40,480
we make a good go of blaming the world

875
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:42,560
but absolutely um

876
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,280
i'm very touched to hear that story and

877
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,720
you know the thing is when you decide to

878
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:48,400
make a change in your life it can also

879
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,160
invite chaos into your life you have to

880
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:52,079
be prepared for that as well

881
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,320
and i think you know you've alluded to

882
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:56,560
that you know success comes with

883
00:37:02,150 --> 00:36:59,520
sleepless nights it comes with anxiety

884
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,160
and i have a close friend who's taught

885
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,400
meditation to some very well-known

886
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,560
television hosts and he said

887
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,800
they don't sleep a wink all night they

888
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,839
sleep two hours at a time and yet

889
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,839
you also receive a lot as well you you

890
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:15,599
have to accept there's going to be

891
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,079
chaos entering your life anytime you

892
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,240
make a radical break with the past

893
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:22,880
and it's uh it was something that it's

894
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,040
it's not like uh mitch where you can

895
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:29,839
uh go take a class somewhere to prepare

896
00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,720
you for this right

897
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:34,800
you know that part doesn't exist

898
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,480
and you you learn on the fly uh nobody

899
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,960
wants to share their secret information

900
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:42,240
you know

901
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,640
how they managed to get through it

902
00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:45,680
and

903
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,720
what we all want we all want to find our

904
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,359
bliss we all want that that happiness

905
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,680
that thing that just you know makes us

906
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,079
get up in the morning we all want that

907
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,560
but you you're absolutely right you need

908
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,960
to be careful and you need to be

909
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,280
prepared because with all of that and it

910
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:07,680
will happen if you you want to manifest

911
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:09,280
it you want to make it happen it'll

912
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:10,240
happen

913
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:11,280
but

914
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,839
what comes with that is is an immense

915
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:16,079
amount of chaos and anxiety and you have

916
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,440
to prepare for it yes i think one of the

917
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:20,880
ways of dealing with the chaos and

918
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,599
anxiety that accompanies success that

919
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,440
accompanies assimilating your goals into

920
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,480
your life

921
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,720
and this is very tricky because it's

922
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:30,880
going to sound simple but if you peel

923
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,440
back the onion it's not simple

924
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:35,440
don't complain about it it's very

925
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,640
important

926
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:39,040
not to get caught up in

927
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,280
kind of petty complaints that can

928
00:38:45,030 --> 00:38:43,520
accompany success because what you're

929
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:45,040
really doing

930
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:46,480
you know in that situation

931
00:38:52,069 --> 00:38:48,240
is kind of

932
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,079
reverting back to a mindset of want now

933
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:54,640
i was joking earlier that i'm leaving

934
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,640
for la in about two hours and that's

935
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,960
just about true i mean right now here in

936
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,839
new york city it's it's 10 30 at night

937
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,040
i'm going to be with you and your

938
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:05,440
listeners until 12 30. i'm going to get

939
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,359
up at 4 a.m to make a plane if i could

940
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:08,720
even put it in those terms i mean i'm

941
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,320
going to sort of take a nap

942
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,320
and you know earlier today i found

943
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,560
myself just getting on the brink of

944
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,240
saying oh man i'm only going to sleep

945
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:18,560
two or three hours or whatever oh forget

946
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:20,480
it i'm thrilled i'm delighted i'm

947
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,839
delighted to be here with you and your

948
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,520
listeners i'm delighted to be getting on

949
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:25,920
a plane tomorrow and going to la a city

950
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:29,040
that i love and you know it's very easy

951
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:31,359
for us to sort of slip into

952
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,119
a mode of want all over again when we

953
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,880
get something that we wish for and

954
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:38,720
that's one of the things

955
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:42,400
that serves to return us to our prior

956
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,560
mood and the things that we tell

957
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:46,320
ourselves privately and things that we

958
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,680
say casually

959
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:49,920
to our friends and loved ones have more

960
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:53,200
power than we would ever estimate and so

961
00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:55,280
one piece of advice which i would share

962
00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:56,560
and i don't feel the need to be

963
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:58,800
secretive at all about it is when you

964
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:01,280
get what you want and it's so important

965
00:40:05,349 --> 00:40:03,359
and we'll talk more about that don't

966
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,359
fall into petty complaining because that

967
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,200
will set you

968
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:10,640
backwards in terms of mood and mindset

969
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,400
and it will take your

970
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:14,880
it will take your attention away from

971
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:17,839
where you've traveled on the road and

972
00:40:21,990 --> 00:40:19,760
dilute your ability to enjoy what you're

973
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,000
actually experiencing and you practice

974
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,480
what you preach i want everybody to know

975
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:27,760
when i when i reached out uh to mitch

976
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,560
and he looks at his schedule and i you

977
00:40:33,990 --> 00:40:32,160
know i said well tuesday night and you

978
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:34,000
said what time and i said you know okay

979
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,520
oh yeah you were like

980
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,400
we're on you know done yeah you're not

981
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:40,480
you're not you know anybody else would

982
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,160
go man i gotta get up i gotta work i

983
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:44,160
gotta i gotta get on a plane i gotta go

984
00:40:48,950 --> 00:40:45,920
you know i don't have time for this no

985
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,960
no no right no you you are practicing

986
00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:51,440
what you preach literally

987
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,079
you could be doing anything right now

988
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,880
but speaking to this audience you should

989
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,599
be in bed you should be packing

990
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,400
uh earlier oh by the way uh can i tell

991
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:04,079
everybody what you were doing earlier

992
00:41:14,069 --> 00:41:12,309
he's got shaving cream on and now he

993
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,079
could have told me at that point jimmy

994
00:41:16,710 --> 00:41:16,000
i'll call you back no sound check you

995
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,720
know

996
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,160
i'm shaving

997
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:20,720
no we sound checked while you were

998
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:23,119
shaving and we got it done

999
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,920
and and here we are but yeah absolutely

1000
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,760
it you have to

1001
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,079
uh you have to work nothing is free

1002
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,560
nothing nothing is free

1003
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:35,119
and you know i often tell people

1004
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,560
if you can

1005
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:38,800
think back to your earliest earliest

1006
00:41:44,710 --> 00:41:41,839
memories as a kid i mean i mean really

1007
00:41:46,470 --> 00:41:44,720
young h3h4 when your first memory

1008
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:46,480
started to crystallize

1009
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,480
and you may discover an uncanny

1010
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,520
congruency between what you wanted when

1011
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,160
you were at that precious young age and

1012
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,720
what you have now as an adult the

1013
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,720
philosopher gerta made the observation

1014
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,560
you know we often hear that

1015
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,560
that that old saying careful what you

1016
00:42:08,230 --> 00:42:06,560
wish for you just might get it that

1017
00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:08,240
actually has its earliest roots in

1018
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,200
goethe who said

1019
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,680
what you wish for when you're young will

1020
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:16,880
come upon you in waves when you're old

1021
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:19,839
so be careful be careful and a lot of

1022
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,440
people want to argue with that statement

1023
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:22,880
because they think to themselves well

1024
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:25,760
gee i'm not living out my dreams and i

1025
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,240
would say take a yellow light you know

1026
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:30,720
take a yellow light take a careful

1027
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:33,520
look a second look at what guerta said

1028
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,400
and

1029
00:42:38,069 --> 00:42:36,720
let your mind drift back to what you

1030
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,079
really wanted

1031
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:40,800
at the time of your earliest memories h3

1032
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,160
h4 just when we began to crystallize

1033
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:46,319
conscious long-term memories

1034
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,560
take a look you may be very surprised at

1035
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,319
what you discover now

1036
00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:51,839
one thing i don't mind sharing with

1037
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:54,000
people it's a very intimate memory but i

1038
00:42:57,589 --> 00:42:55,520
feel like i have to be straightforward

1039
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:57,599
with you and your listeners when i was a

1040
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,800
little kid

1041
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,040
and we would play games you know cowboys

1042
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,800
and indians and war games things like

1043
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,960
that i was playing all the same games

1044
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:06,560
that everybody else was playing but i

1045
00:43:13,270 --> 00:43:09,760
was imagining myself doing it on camera

1046
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,280
you know i wanted to be uh john wayne or

1047
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:15,280
whoever it was you know kind of acting

1048
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:17,359
out the part on camera and i would

1049
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,119
imagine myself playing these games in

1050
00:43:24,390 --> 00:43:20,880
front of a camera and so i consider

1051
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:24,400
myself hugely lucky now in midlife

1052
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:25,280
to

1053
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,079
be involved in media and radio and

1054
00:43:32,230 --> 00:43:30,000
television so when you call me and say

1055
00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:32,240
hey can you do the show you know

1056
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:33,839
tomorrow night at such and such a time

1057
00:43:38,710 --> 00:43:36,720
it's like the answer is just yes not

1058
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:38,720
maybe but yes because

1059
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,000
it's it's really the the the the spot

1060
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,040
the the spot of harmonious living

1061
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,280
that i had thought of effortlessly at

1062
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,280
age three four and i consider it the

1063
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,040
blessing of my life that

1064
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:53,520
that has come upon me in ways just like

1065
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,359
erica said uh in midlife and uh i better

1066
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:00,079
never complain about it for a moment

1067
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,960
when we take a look at uh america today

1068
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:06,640
the united states we can certainly

1069
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:09,920
discuss the world in the same terms but

1070
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,599
when we look at america today

1071
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,280
and the title of the book where you say

1072
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,359
you know how positive thinking reshaped

1073
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,599
modern life i would say that in the

1074
00:44:25,589 --> 00:44:22,800
general sense that that is true

1075
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,599
and then on the flip side of that we

1076
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,560
really wanted technology we wanted

1077
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:30,480
access we wanted

1078
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,839
eight zillion uh channels of access to

1079
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:36,560
entertainment and news 24 7.

1080
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:40,480
we wanted all of these things which also

1081
00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:43,920
has started to reshape the way uh we are

1082
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,000
today in the way that we think and it's

1083
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,560
again it's kind of going back

1084
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:51,119
be careful what you wish for right

1085
00:44:53,990 --> 00:44:52,160
that's true

1086
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,000
you know i i don't think all this

1087
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,240
technology has altered human nature but

1088
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:58,960
it has certainly it's disinhibited us

1089
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:01,680
it's brought out aspects of human nature

1090
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,760
that are in sharper focus than ever

1091
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,200
before and

1092
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,240
frankly we are destroying ourselves by

1093
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,359
the tone that exists that pervades

1094
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,440
digital culture the tone of attack the

1095
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:16,400
tone of sarcasm the tone of cynicism

1096
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:17,359
and

1097
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:19,680
it's breaking us down you know it is

1098
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,520
breaking us down and i often tell people

1099
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,040
you know if you think this is just a

1100
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,760
broader macro social problem

1101
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,680
uh you're you're you're not only

1102
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:31,520
mistaken but you're endangering your own

1103
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:32,560
happiness

1104
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,280
when people come to me and they feel

1105
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,640
unhappy depressed anxious

1106
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,640
they can't sleep they're hitting the

1107
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,400
bottle too much or they're relying on

1108
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:44,400
drugs or whatever it is

1109
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,480
one of the things i tell them is if you

1110
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,319
want to do something to help yourself in

1111
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,720
the next 24 hours and i mean it

1112
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:53,520
stop gossiping stop gossiping don't

1113
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,800
participate

1114
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,000
yeah

1115
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,359
i mean

1116
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,200
right and we

1117
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,680
you know and we you know what mitch we

1118
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,359
all know that

1119
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,920
but for some reason nobody wants to step

1120
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,599
up to the plate and and

1121
00:46:12,230 --> 00:46:10,319
and start to do something about it

1122
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,240
that's right that's right and you know

1123
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,319
people want magic that's the closest

1124
00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:16,240
thing you can get to magic you can enact

1125
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,040
it right away you will feel nobler you

1126
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,680
will be more respected you will stand

1127
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:24,160
more erect you will be a more attractive

1128
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,119
person

1129
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:26,880
there's there's many reasons for that

1130
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,000
and i go through some of them in the

1131
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,079
miracle club and other books but the

1132
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,640
fact is you degrade yourself through

1133
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,480
gossip in ways that you don't even begin

1134
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:35,920
to imagine right there's an

1135
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,480
auto-suggestive quality to gossip where

1136
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,480
what you talk about acts on your own

1137
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,040
character there is an energy depletion

1138
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,800
if you've ever sat through a meal with

1139
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,720
somebody and you've just sat through

1140
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,400
that whole meal gossiping and trading

1141
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,480
stories about other people you will feel

1142
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,040
an unmistakable drop in your energy as

1143
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:54,720
if you're just coming off of a of a

1144
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,160
sugar high there's something so

1145
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,800
psychically unhealthy about gossip and

1146
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,960
the beautiful thing is if you can flick

1147
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,480
the off switch

1148
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:04,240
you will feel

1149
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,480
better you will get rewards you know

1150
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:08,000
it's not only about it

1151
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:09,599
it's certainly the moral thing to do

1152
00:47:13,349 --> 00:47:11,040
it's certainly the ethical thing to do

1153
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:13,359
but if you want to be selfish about it

1154
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,280
because you will receive rewards you're

1155
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,960
doing unto yourself

1156
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:18,960
by ceasing that so you know this

1157
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:21,920
language is a smog that poisons us and

1158
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,640
if you can unplug from it uh it's not

1159
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,319
just a matter of doing a good deed or

1160
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,319
eating your vegetables you will feel

1161
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:30,160
like a nobler person and you will feel

1162
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:31,920
it in 24 hours

1163
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:35,359
i used to uh i realized uh many many

1164
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:39,040
many many years ago decades ago that if

1165
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,839
i if somebody was in my presence and

1166
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,839
would start to gossip

1167
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,440
pretty much

1168
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:47,200
that's the last conversation i would

1169
00:47:50,550 --> 00:47:48,640
have with that person

1170
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,560
i would just get turned off i want to

1171
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:52,800
hang out with somebody that says

1172
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,280
something like man i read this book

1173
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:57,520
yesterday and it was about blah blah

1174
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,319
blah blah blah that's a conversation

1175
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,920
right that that yeah

1176
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:03,119
you know what i mean

1177
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:05,680
and for real okay for real yeah it's and

1178
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,880
and and i am that way when it comes to

1179
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:10,480
social media

1180
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:13,599
and and and what is going on today this

1181
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:14,720
this

1182
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:16,079
the uh

1183
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,160
the the gossiping that is there i look

1184
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,480
at who is writing those words and i can

1185
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,400
pretty much assess that

1186
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,400
that is somebody that doesn't like

1187
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,319
themselves and they've got something

1188
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,880
burnt on the inside of them that you

1189
00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:31,359
know it's dark and they need to get out

1190
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:34,960
of that they think that gossiping

1191
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:37,760
is making them attractive that is making

1192
00:48:43,270 --> 00:48:40,559
them important and and it's simply the

1193
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,280
exact opposite is what happens

1194
00:48:47,349 --> 00:48:45,599
exactly i think people are afraid to

1195
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:47,359
unplug from gossip because they think

1196
00:48:51,750 --> 00:48:49,920
they'll be boring they view gossip as a

1197
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,760
kind of currency and they feel that when

1198
00:48:54,870 --> 00:48:53,040
they don't have

1199
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,880
dirt to share or

1200
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,359
you know insider dope to share about

1201
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,599
other people they're going to be boring

1202
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:01,440
it's it's not true it's a false

1203
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:02,480
assumption

1204
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:04,160
not only will you be more interesting

1205
00:49:08,069 --> 00:49:05,920
and attractive you'll come into better

1206
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,079
nobler company which will allow you to

1207
00:49:12,309 --> 00:49:10,720
accomplish more things you want in life

1208
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,319
and the fact is

1209
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:14,960
you know a lot of gossip is based on

1210
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,720
this false assumption that we can deal

1211
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:18,640
with our own fear we can deal with our

1212
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,760
own anger by diluting it that if we

1213
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,319
share it or if we share

1214
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,880
bad news or misfortune that's being

1215
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:29,200
experienced by other people it somehow

1216
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:30,640
dilutes

1217
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,559
the anxiety and the problems and the

1218
00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:34,960
pain that we're experiencing that's an

1219
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,520
illusion that doesn't work that dilution

1220
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:40,079
process does not take place

1221
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,559
unplug from it you will be happier it's

1222
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:44,400
that simple and

1223
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:45,280
i

1224
00:49:54,870 --> 00:49:52,720
are there results from that

1225
00:49:56,470 --> 00:49:54,880
instantaneous

1226
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:56,480
i i believe so

1227
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,480
i believe that

1228
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:00,880
we have certain opportunities in life to

1229
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:03,359
actually experience dramatic

1230
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,640
instantaneous changes and one of those

1231
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,800
opportunities in particular has to do

1232
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,359
with gossip because its effects

1233
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:14,720
are like a choking smog psychically

1234
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:15,680
and

1235
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,240
it is the finest thing that you can do

1236
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:20,800
for yourself when you unplug from it you

1237
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:24,240
will feel at liberty and stronger in a

1238
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,640
radical number of ways the philosopher

1239
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:28,480
william james who's one of my heroes

1240
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,800
talked about a conversion experience and

1241
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:33,119
he said there are certain instances in a

1242
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,359
person's life where he or she can come

1243
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:37,200
into a new belief system or take some

1244
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,000
dramatic step and it seems to reorient

1245
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:41,760
their lives in a way that actually

1246
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,880
changes objective outer reality bill

1247
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:46,880
wilson the founder of aaa had that

1248
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,359
experience when he got sober for example

1249
00:50:53,990 --> 00:50:51,839
there are certain steps that we can take

1250
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:54,000
that are so powerful that it seems to

1251
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:56,160
reorient everything that we're about and

1252
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:57,119
even

1253
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:01,280
relapse and i know there are relapses

1254
00:51:04,790 --> 00:51:03,599
and i experience them too but even if we

1255
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:04,800
relapse

1256
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:08,880
every effort that we make to shed a

1257
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,520
negative habit and embrace a nobler form

1258
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,760
of living it builds up a fiber in us

1259
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,480
that does change things and i talk to a

1260
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,839
lot of people

1261
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:19,440
who are suffering i talk to a lot of

1262
00:51:23,190 --> 00:51:21,119
people who feel

1263
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,200
depressed or anxious or what have you

1264
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:25,440
and you know the one thing i tell them

1265
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,520
is if you can scrutinize your life

1266
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,359
and and cut out gossip and there are

1267
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:31,680
other steps too you know another step

1268
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,280
that's so important

1269
00:51:37,349 --> 00:51:35,599
is separating yourself from cruel people

1270
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:37,359
even if you can't get away from an

1271
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:38,640
individual

1272
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:42,000
physically you can still make that

1273
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,640
morally revolutionary effort within to

1274
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:46,640
determine that you're going to separate

1275
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,960
from them within as much as possible and

1276
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:51,280
at the first possible opportunity

1277
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,559
separate physically doesn't matter when

1278
00:52:00,870 --> 00:51:58,880
it is that opportunity will come but

1279
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:00,880
separating from cruel people and

1280
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:02,720
desisting from gossip

1281
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:05,200
man they will change your life in hours

1282
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:06,960
and i don't exaggerate and i welcome

1283
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,440
anybody to try it and call me out on it

1284
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,480
if i am exaggerating it did okay so i

1285
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,280
want to ask you two questions

1286
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:18,720
did you used to gossip

1287
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:20,960
oh yeah i worked in the publishing

1288
00:52:24,230 --> 00:52:23,119
business the currency of the publishing

1289
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,240
business

1290
00:52:28,390 --> 00:52:26,480
was gossip at one time i mean

1291
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,400
you know people go out to these expense

1292
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,319
account lunches right and they just sit

1293
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,400
there over there grilled salmon

1294
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,960
you know talking trash about colleagues

1295
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,599
and i realized at a certain point and

1296
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,359
and jimmy i swear to you it was almost

1297
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,680
like this palpably physical experience

1298
00:52:44,390 --> 00:52:43,359
and i think it was physical and

1299
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,400
psychical

1300
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,640
there was a colleague with whom i used

1301
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:48,480
to get together for lunch every few

1302
00:52:51,510 --> 00:52:49,520
months

1303
00:52:55,270 --> 00:52:51,520
and

1304
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:55,280
i would get drawn in to this

1305
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:57,440
rotating wheel of gossip with this

1306
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,480
person

1307
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:00,800
and the lunch would just drag on too

1308
00:53:05,430 --> 00:53:03,280
long i'd come back to my office at three

1309
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,440
o'clock in the afternoon and i feel

1310
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:07,839
hungover i'd feel sick i'd feel almost

1311
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:08,880
physically

1312
00:53:14,790 --> 00:53:11,920
unwell and that was my first clue that

1313
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,800
these conversations have some component

1314
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:17,440
to them that are absolutely

1315
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:20,800
toxic to the psyche toxic to your

1316
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,800
physiology and i i made an effort to

1317
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,880
distance myself from that person and i

1318
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,720
began to realize

1319
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,720
how pernicious a thing

1320
00:53:35,190 --> 00:53:33,280
gossip was then i began to realize how

1321
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:35,200
how many diffuse sides there are to

1322
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:37,440
people's lives and how profoundly unfair

1323
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,400
it is to try to boil down their life or

1324
00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,880
their identity or their existence to one

1325
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,440
story that i witnessed or someone else

1326
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:46,720
witnessed where somebody underwent a

1327
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:49,680
misfortune so anyway i had a revolution

1328
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,680
an internal revolution about it but the

1329
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,119
publishing business

1330
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,559
uh is so fueled by gossip uh and and so

1331
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:57,839
at one time

1332
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,760
i was very much part of that i was very

1333
00:54:04,150 --> 00:54:01,920
much part of that and i distanced myself

1334
00:54:06,230 --> 00:54:04,160
from it completely the

1335
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:06,240
uh the changes that you have once you

1336
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,599
cut uh the negative people around you

1337
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,559
and and you stop the gossiping and you

1338
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:15,200
you you take those steps towards the

1339
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:18,160
positive it's the first things that you

1340
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:19,839
need to get in order when you want to

1341
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,599
change your own reality because you'll

1342
00:54:26,390 --> 00:54:24,400
get a month out two months out

1343
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:26,400
and you look back and you'll say to you

1344
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:28,240
i used to be different

1345
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,280
this this actually works today yeah i'm

1346
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,160
not the same person that i was back then

1347
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:36,720
and it's actually very very simple if

1348
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:38,319
you just know you know a couple of

1349
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:41,200
simple things uh on what to do

1350
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,920
yes and sometimes in in fact maybe

1351
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,240
almost as a rule other people notice it

1352
00:54:50,309 --> 00:54:48,240
first they may not always advertise it

1353
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,319
to you but i've had

1354
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:52,400
encounters with people meals with people

1355
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,960
and they've said you know you you have a

1356
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,720
different tone than the person i knew

1357
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:59,119
from ten years ago five years ago it's

1358
00:55:02,710 --> 00:55:00,640
not uncommon that other people will

1359
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,720
notice it first and this is the kind of

1360
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:05,040
thing that opens up the door for people

1361
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,800
to do the things

1362
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:09,119
that that you and rita have done where

1363
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,720
you know you made these radical changes

1364
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:11,839
in your life and you found yourself

1365
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:13,839
living in existence that was actually

1366
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:15,359
self-selected

1367
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:19,680
and uh when i say uh changing your

1368
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:23,520
reality uh is real that you can do it

1369
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:27,440
there when i used to hear about these

1370
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,440
processes and i'm talking you know 20

1371
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:31,040
years ago 30 years ago i used to hear

1372
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:34,319
about yeah i would think that i would

1373
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,079
dismiss it in that

1374
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:38,240
it seemed like what they were saying

1375
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:40,079
like i said uh in the opening statement

1376
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,200
you know you're gonna light a few

1377
00:55:45,109 --> 00:55:43,280
candles and and you're gonna dream your

1378
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:45,119
way through this and tomorrow you're

1379
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,480
gonna wake up and there's a different

1380
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,960
car in the driveway you know like that

1381
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:51,440
is something more esoteric and

1382
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:53,599
and and supernatural but that's not the

1383
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,839
case is it

1384
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,920
well you know it's interesting i think

1385
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,319
over time it can be the case i mean

1386
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there's a there's a natural interval

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there's a natural gestation that has to

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occur in life i mean you know it takes

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nine months for human lives to gestate

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and in the animal kingdom you know a

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horse eleven months and so on you know

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it's a law of nature that there's going

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to be a gestation period for everything

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sometimes things can happen in a hurry

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other times they happen over the course

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of years but one of the things i have

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been absolutely

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just astonished by is that sometimes

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over the march of time

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uh

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you know and we're terrible i mean we

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forget things

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we're we're very forgetful we we our

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attention has tremendous gaps in it but

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sometimes over the course of time i've

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noticed that there will be that car in

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the driveway or there will be somebody

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looking back at me in the mirror in the

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morning or something and i realize

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oh my god this is exactly

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something that i was picturing i mean

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this is really truly

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congruent with my thoughts and it may be

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that it it occurred over an interval of

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five or ten years

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but the congruency i tell you it's just

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amazing i mean i find a congruency

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between where i am today at age 53 and

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things that i can remember thinking

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about in my earliest

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memories at ages three and four and i

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you know

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it

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i i ask people to really

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keep in mind how forgetful we are and

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how

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great a gap there is in our attention

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and how sometimes

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we fool ourselves we

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we don't

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really tell ourselves

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what we really want our internal talking

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is almost self-deceptive and i would say

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if you can try to strip all that away

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and really reflect on your life what you

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were thinking about when you were young

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where you are now

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where you want to be you'll discover an

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uncanny congruency between thought and

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concrete experience let's take a break

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right here mitch this is fade to black

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our guest tonight mitch uh mitch

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horowitz i almost said something else

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[\h__\h] horowitz i called you bleeping uh

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when we came in i almost did it again

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mitch bleepin horowitz and we're gonna

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continue when we come back

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i'm your host jimmy turns this is fade

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to block stay with us

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welcome back fade to black i'm your old

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jimmy church

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on the game changer network and kgra the

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planet you can follow me on twitter at

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simple at mitch horowitz and he's got

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you're going to be speaking at our

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teaching

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at our soul tech conference coming up

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this july can you give us a sneak

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preview what are you going to be doing

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oh absolutely my man you know i'm just

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back from egypt actually

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uh and i'm going to be talking about

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hermetic philosophy which was the greek

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egyptian philosophy that abounded in

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egypt in in the decades immediately

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following christ it has a lot to do with

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the powers of the mind it has a lot to

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do with mind causation it's a real

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ancient

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uh form of mysticism and esoteric

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practice that was written down

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and we still have vestiges of it today

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it can be found in some of the

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translations of magical hermetic books

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it can be found

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in a great occult book from 1908 called

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the caballon which i'm making a

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documentary about that was one of the

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things that i was doing in egypt and

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i'll be talking to people about how

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practical ancient egyptian mysticism and

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spirituality can be a force in your life

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today we're going to get very hands-on

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about it how magical is egypt you know

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when you go there and you you know what

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kind of electricity flows up your leg uh

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when you step onto the plateau

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you know you you nailed it you nailed it

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it does feel like electricity i had that

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feeling twice actually

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on one occasion i was able to go in a

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temple uh to the goddess sekhmet

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the ancient goddess sekhmet who was a

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goddess of boldness and force and power

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and

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this is not open to the general public

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this was at the temple side of karnak

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and we had to pay to get in there you

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have to pay to do everything in egypt

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today and uh i went in there and and and

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a friend and i did a ceremony with a

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guide to sekhmet and i just felt this

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sense of absolute electricity go through

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my body uh there was another instance

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where in the valley of kings and we got

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to go in a closed off portion that most

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people don't get to go to and again you

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know in egypt you pay to play i mean

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you know everything

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every door is open to you but but money

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has to change hands and we were willing

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to do this it's just the way it is

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and and i i went and i was able to touch

1640
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a base relief of one of the ancient

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ceremonial bill bulls and

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jimmy you know i just felt a sense of

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01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:51,200
lightning electricity just as you put it

1644
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passed through my my whole body it was

1645
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absolutely extraordinary those were two

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01:06:59,270 --> 01:06:57,039
of the true highlights of the trip for

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me it was also a tough trip because we

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didn't close ourselves off from the

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general population we didn't hang around

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you know on air-conditioned tour buses

1651
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,480
you know we were really out there with

1652
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,319
the people and

1653
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,920
it's a tough country to travel through

1654
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:11,520
it's a tough country to get things done

1655
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:13,760
in but my friend ronnie thomas who's a

1656
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:15,440
great director and i were there for a

1657
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,079
week uh we filmed a lot

1658
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,079
and the caballon documentary is going to

1659
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:22,319
be coming at you uh probably in the

1660
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:25,839
spring of next year and uh some of what

1661
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,079
we learned will be on preview at your

1662
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:29,760
conference this summer

1663
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:30,640
the

1664
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:36,000
discussed so much i've talked about it

1665
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:37,520
on this show

1666
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:40,640
um the the great pyramid is the one

1667
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:43,359
thing that not only is covered and

1668
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:46,559
researched and documented and every and

1669
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:49,039
it just turns out honestly

1670
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:52,799
we know nothing we don't know

1671
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:55,839
nothing nothing it's just extraordinary

1672
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:58,160
we have this terrible sense of hubris in

1673
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:01,039
our society that we can document things

1674
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:02,960
and understand them and

1675
01:08:07,990 --> 01:08:05,599
you know the truth is

1676
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:08,000
incidents go on you know in my apartment

1677
01:08:11,349 --> 01:08:09,760
building you know and people have five

1678
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,359
different versions of what happened

1679
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:13,440
yesterday you know there's a broken

1680
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:14,960
window and there's three different

1681
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:17,120
stories about why the window is broken

1682
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:17,920
and

1683
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,759
of our

1684
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,920
ignorance stems from this binary

1685
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,920
thinking that we get into you know

1686
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:27,839
people will say well it it it was

1687
01:08:32,709 --> 01:08:30,480
plainly a burial site it was plainly a

1688
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:32,719
sarcophagus that's inside the king's

1689
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,319
chamber and i've seen it and i've laid

1690
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,880
hands on it and i i understand that and

1691
01:08:40,390 --> 01:08:38,480
you know others will say no no you know

1692
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:40,400
it was something that you know

1693
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,159
coordinated to the stars and it's this

1694
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:43,920
and it's that and the truth is

1695
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:46,239
we get into these binary points of view

1696
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:48,560
because we think it's got to be one

1697
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,199
thing it's got to be one thing the truth

1698
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:53,440
is to ancient people

1699
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:56,239
burial sites and [\h__\h] crypts and

1700
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:57,759
sarcophagi

1701
01:09:01,910 --> 01:09:00,480
were and and the very presence of death

1702
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:01,920
and the honor and the veneration of

1703
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:05,440
death was so fully integrated into life

1704
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:08,159
and death was so much more of a palpable

1705
01:09:13,349 --> 01:09:11,279
experience and an ever-ready possibility

1706
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:13,359
than what most of us living in the

1707
01:09:18,149 --> 01:09:16,159
modern west experience today that

1708
01:09:19,590 --> 01:09:18,159
the ancients and i believe this is true

1709
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:19,600
the celts i believe it's true the

1710
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,040
egyptians i believe it's true of the

1711
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:23,440
maya they didn't have the same sense of

1712
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,000
dividing line between death and life

1713
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:28,719
that we have and so we with our western

1714
01:09:34,709 --> 01:09:32,000
conceptions look back and we think that

1715
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,719
something that served a funerary purpose

1716
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:36,880
must have been only that must have been

1717
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:39,520
only that and that's just not true there

1718
01:09:47,030 --> 01:09:43,600
was a integration and a

1719
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:47,040
an absence of straight lines and sharp

1720
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,719
angles between life

1721
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:50,719
and death they lived in a magical

1722
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:53,520
culture in which the non-physical world

1723
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,600
and the physical world were part of one

1724
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,280
whole and i think that's made it very

1725
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:59,360
difficult for us to understand some of

1726
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:00,800
these things because we'll look at

1727
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:02,719
something and say that must have been a

1728
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:04,080
[\h__\h] that must have been a burial

1729
01:10:08,229 --> 01:10:05,920
chamber there was more than one thing

1730
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,239
going on just as there's more than one

1731
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:10,800
thing going on in our bodies when we

1732
01:10:14,790 --> 01:10:12,880
pray and something happens or when we

1733
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,800
experience what's called the placebo

1734
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,360
effect yes you know endorphins and

1735
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:19,679
dopamine and all kinds of enzymes might

1736
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:21,920
be getting released but that just might

1737
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,719
be

1738
01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:24,800
what prayer or what the mental hearing

1739
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:27,440
healing experience looks like

1740
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:29,600
in the body it's one thing that's going

1741
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:32,800
on among others and this binary thinking

1742
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:34,320
keeps us from

1743
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:36,960
appreciating the broader possibilities

1744
01:10:42,149 --> 01:10:39,840
of human experience there are very often

1745
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:42,159
a great complex of things going on a

1746
01:10:47,270 --> 01:10:44,800
superposition of things going on that's

1747
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,280
one of the most important things um i've

1748
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,600
i've ever heard you say and you say a

1749
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:51,840
lot right but

1750
01:10:57,910 --> 01:10:55,520
but is this even today with all of our

1751
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:57,920
science and all of our medical knowledge

1752
01:11:03,110 --> 01:10:59,920
and all of the technology

1753
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:03,120
we don't understand death at all we

1754
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:05,520
still we don't know anything about it

1755
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:08,480
and until something comes uh

1756
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:10,000
very clear

1757
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,080
everything that the ancients had to say

1758
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:14,719
about it i think is as valid as as

1759
01:11:18,149 --> 01:11:16,719
anything and and that's where i'm at

1760
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:18,159
with it

1761
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:19,920
absolutely you know it's funny the other

1762
01:11:23,910 --> 01:11:22,159
day a friend of mine was in an argument

1763
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:23,920
with somebody who was kind of goading

1764
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:25,679
him and saying you know you're telling

1765
01:11:29,430 --> 01:11:27,360
me you believe in ghosts and i'm never

1766
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,440
thrown when people use words like ghosts

1767
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,120
because

1768
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:33,840
it's an attempt to sort of infantilize

1769
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,159
a very important discussion by seizing a

1770
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,719
term you know from popular culture and

1771
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:41,120
my response to that person would be

1772
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,760
are you absolutely certain that you know

1773
01:11:48,709 --> 01:11:45,600
what happens after we die are you

1774
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:48,719
absolutely certain that there's no

1775
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:51,120
non-physical or extra physical component

1776
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:52,560
to life and of course the answer would

1777
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:54,960
be no i'm not certain how could any of

1778
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,840
us be

1779
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:57,920
in which case the conversation the

1780
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,080
argument becomes moot then we agree we

1781
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:02,560
agree i have questions i'm simply

1782
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:04,239
acknowledging that i have questions you

1783
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,040
know and and talking about you know how

1784
01:12:13,270 --> 01:12:10,080
our thoughts can become reality

1785
01:12:15,990 --> 01:12:13,280
i think the first stage uh with all of

1786
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,000
this and and correct me if i'm wrong

1787
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:18,400
but you have to find the foundation of

1788
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:19,679
your bliss

1789
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:24,719
that how do we do that mitch you know

1790
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:26,800
i'm really glad you came back to that

1791
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:29,360
you know one of the metaphysical writers

1792
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:30,880
who i've really loved over the years is

1793
01:12:35,189 --> 01:12:33,440
carlos castaneda and

1794
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,199
a lot of people are down on castaneda

1795
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:36,560
because they say oh you know he

1796
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:38,960
falsified his identity and his

1797
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:41,360
historicism and so on but there's so

1798
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:44,159
much truth in his books and it speaks

1799
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:45,760
and it resounds on so many different

1800
01:12:49,270 --> 01:12:46,719
levels

1801
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,280
that one makes a mistake to read

1802
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,040
castaneda strictly as a work of

1803
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:53,760
anthropology which it's not it's a work

1804
01:13:06,390 --> 01:12:54,480
of

1805
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,400
carlos's uh don juan books

1806
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,400
involves him being on the porch of his

1807
01:13:13,430 --> 01:13:10,880
mentor and his mentor tells him you must

1808
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:13,440
find the safe spot on this porch and

1809
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,520
carlos spends all night rolling around

1810
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:17,440
rolling around until he finds the safe

1811
01:13:23,270 --> 01:13:19,679
spot a spot where he feels

1812
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:23,280
noble and secure and protected and it it

1813
01:13:27,669 --> 01:13:25,199
arguably saves his life because he's

1814
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,679
attacked by another figure in the in the

1815
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:29,040
story and

1816
01:13:34,229 --> 01:13:31,600
he prevails and he's able to prevail

1817
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:34,239
because his life depended upon

1818
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:36,480
his finding that safe spot on the porch

1819
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:40,000
he found it and in finding it he saved

1820
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,520
his own life

1821
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:43,520
i would submit

1822
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:44,560
that

1823
01:13:55,030 --> 01:13:53,040
own life to find what your definite aim

1824
01:13:57,030 --> 01:13:55,040
and passion is what you're really

1825
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:57,040
supposed to be doing in life and to

1826
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:00,719
assimilate that and i think that that is

1827
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:03,679
as noble and as important

1828
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,120
a journey as an actual life-saving

1829
01:14:11,189 --> 01:14:09,120
journey because each of us has something

1830
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:11,199
that we want to be doing in the world

1831
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:12,400
that is

1832
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,199
as needful and as important to us

1833
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:18,159
as the drawing of breath itself in vedic

1834
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,600
tradition that might be referred to as

1835
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:21,920
your dharma in western tradition we

1836
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:24,400
might call it your definite chief aim

1837
01:14:30,390 --> 01:14:26,960
what is your definite absolute aim

1838
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:30,400
and in the miracle club and elsewhere i

1839
01:14:35,669 --> 01:14:32,560
i encourage people

1840
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:35,679
to really sit down with unembarrassed

1841
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:38,880
self-scrutiny in a very private way this

1842
01:14:43,030 --> 01:14:40,800
is not something to necessarily share

1843
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:43,040
with other people this is your own

1844
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:45,679
individual inner experiment and really

1845
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:47,120
ask yourself

1846
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:50,080
what is your most sacred passionately

1847
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:51,840
felt aim in life and you mustn't be

1848
01:14:57,910 --> 01:14:55,120
embarrassed by it because we hide we

1849
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:57,920
hide from our aim because we think oh

1850
01:15:01,750 --> 01:14:59,679
i'm a spiritual person i'm not supposed

1851
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,760
to be too interested in money or i'm a

1852
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,360
developed person i'm not supposed to be

1853
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,679
too interested in the physical throw out

1854
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:07,679
all of those preconceptions throw out

1855
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:10,080
all embarrassment that's why i say it's

1856
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,000
so important to keep this experiment

1857
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,760
private it's not something you're going

1858
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,760
to vet with other people it's not

1859
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:17,280
something where you're looking for other

1860
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:19,679
people's approbation don't repeat things

1861
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:20,960
to yourself that you've heard in the

1862
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,600
past don't repeat

1863
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,159
principles or homilies that are from

1864
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:28,800
translations of translations of ancient

1865
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:31,280
literature just be

1866
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:33,840
you don't be embarrassed and ask

1867
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:36,480
yourself what do you really want and no

1868
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:39,040
matter what answer comes back to you

1869
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,120
honor it honor it it could be the most

1870
01:15:47,430 --> 01:15:43,920
important turning point of your life

1871
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:47,440
and i i i want to do the the jimmy

1872
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,719
comment here the the very simplistic

1873
01:15:56,950 --> 01:15:53,520
doofus comment which is this

1874
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:56,960
simply don't be scared

1875
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:59,440
so many are just they're scared right

1876
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,440
they're nervous they're they're they're

1877
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,679
comfortable in their little bubble

1878
01:16:08,310 --> 01:16:05,280
you know they want to make that because

1879
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,320
they're scared don't be scared you know

1880
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,280
or nothing will get done right nothing

1881
01:16:16,390 --> 01:16:13,920
will get done and you know we repeat

1882
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,400
things to ourselves that are deceiving

1883
01:16:19,189 --> 01:16:18,239
that are self-deceiving such as

1884
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,199
ourselves

1885
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,360
oh you know i want a nice job i want a

1886
01:16:25,189 --> 01:16:23,520
nice home i want a nice family you know

1887
01:16:26,870 --> 01:16:25,199
we sort of repeat all these things to

1888
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:26,880
ourselves that we think we're supposed

1889
01:16:30,950 --> 01:16:28,880
to want and that are going to perhaps

1890
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:30,960
bring us honor and respect from our

1891
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,360
peers you know spiritual people want to

1892
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:35,440
say oh you know i want to save the world

1893
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:37,520
or oh you know money comes second i'm

1894
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:40,320
interested in creativity are you sure

1895
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:43,120
are you sure because we can spend a

1896
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:45,920
lifetime hiding from ourselves and

1897
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:48,800
you know i really want people to get in

1898
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:50,080
touch with

1899
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:52,159
with what their most impassioned desires

1900
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,880
are

1901
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,159
go through

1902
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:56,400
the journey that carlos writes about in

1903
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,320
the first of his don juan books where

1904
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,080
you need to find that safe spot you need

1905
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,400
to find that secure spot it could be

1906
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:04,159
life or death

1907
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:07,199
metaphorically or literally and

1908
01:17:13,110 --> 01:17:10,480
i feel that it's very possible to

1909
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:13,120
fritter away one's life

1910
01:17:17,590 --> 01:17:15,440
repeating things internally or framing

1911
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,600
your desires in such a way that you kind

1912
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,679
of neuter them because you think they

1913
01:17:24,070 --> 01:17:21,840
sound better you know it's like i want

1914
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:24,080
to found such and such a company to make

1915
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:26,159
the world a better place well you know

1916
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:27,760
maybe that's true and if that's true

1917
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,040
that's wonderful but if that's not true

1918
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,960
heaven forbid you waste your life on it

1919
01:17:37,110 --> 01:17:34,719
maybe there's something else you want

1920
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:37,120
maybe a corporate go-getter doesn't want

1921
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:38,560
to be a corporate go-getter but just

1922
01:17:42,870 --> 01:17:41,040
wants to be under a blanket at home

1923
01:17:44,470 --> 01:17:42,880
somebody wrote to me tonight a lady was

1924
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:44,480
telling me

1925
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:46,000
she realized that her aim was for

1926
01:17:50,550 --> 01:17:48,400
security and she felt badly about that

1927
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,560
because she thought security maybe

1928
01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,320
seemed like a very narrow thing a very

1929
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:54,560
small thing and i said look if that's

1930
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,719
really truly your aim then what are

1931
01:18:01,430 --> 01:17:59,120
life-affirming ways of seeking security

1932
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:01,440
financial security physical security

1933
01:18:05,669 --> 01:18:03,920
as long as it's your passion

1934
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,679
it will focus your energies it will

1935
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:07,360
focus your psyche in such a way that

1936
01:18:11,750 --> 01:18:08,960
will give you power

1937
01:18:13,510 --> 01:18:11,760
and how do we okay all right but how do

1938
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:13,520
we fight

1939
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:14,560
uh

1940
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:17,920
the the power of the media

1941
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:21,840
where our generation today the the the

1942
01:18:26,550 --> 01:18:24,960
kids today our general the kids today

1943
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:26,560
see the headline

1944
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:29,920
that you know kylie jenner becomes

1945
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:33,679
forbes youngest self-made billionaire

1946
01:18:39,030 --> 01:18:36,960
she's 21 years 21 years old and you want

1947
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:39,040
to say something like this to your kids

1948
01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:40,480
and you want to do this and they think

1949
01:18:45,430 --> 01:18:43,520
well but but kylie jenner did it

1950
01:18:48,470 --> 01:18:45,440
well you know on

1951
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:48,480
with with absolutely nothing

1952
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,239
you know and that's that's the power of

1953
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:52,719
the media and i want to become an

1954
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:54,400
instagram star

1955
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:56,800
i want to become a youtube star i want

1956
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:59,600
to become a tick-tock star

1957
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:00,560
right

1958
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:03,679
we're fighting that on a daily basis by

1959
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:07,600
uh by these uh quote-unquote celebs that

1960
01:19:11,430 --> 01:19:08,400
have

1961
01:19:13,270 --> 01:19:11,440
you know tens of millions of followers

1962
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,280
that recognize what they are doing and

1963
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,800
they're like well there's an easy way

1964
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:16,000
out

1965
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:19,120
yeah yeah it's interesting you know

1966
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:24,320
i i have two sons uh ages 12 and 14 and

1967
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:26,560
whenever i'm asked parenting questions i

1968
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,679
i always

1969
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:29,760
quote something that is attributed to

1970
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:31,120
napoleon i don't know if he ever

1971
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:33,040
actually said any of these things but

1972
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:35,440
napoleon seems to have said everything

1973
01:19:40,390 --> 01:19:37,920
apparently and that is every plan

1974
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:40,400
immediately fails upon contact

1975
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:41,760
with the enemy i guess you could say

1976
01:19:45,590 --> 01:19:43,440
every plan immediately fails upon

1977
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,600
contact with your children you know

1978
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:47,440
every well-laid

1979
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,600
sensible

1980
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:50,719
values-driven plan

1981
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:53,280
seems to go awry the moment you

1982
01:19:58,470 --> 01:19:56,800
introduce it into actual life now

1983
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,480
i'm proud of my kids they seem to be

1984
01:20:04,390 --> 01:20:01,199
doing well they they have good values

1985
01:20:06,950 --> 01:20:04,400
and i don't know frankly if i

1986
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:06,960
introduce those values to them they are

1987
01:20:10,870 --> 01:20:08,640
exposed to all the media that you're

1988
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:10,880
just describing all the news that you're

1989
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:12,719
just describing

1990
01:20:19,669 --> 01:20:15,360
i don't know what precisely inculcates

1991
01:20:22,630 --> 01:20:19,679
values in children i do know that uh

1992
01:20:25,590 --> 01:20:22,640
my older son has made a point of not

1993
01:20:26,630 --> 01:20:25,600
gossiping i'm very aware that he stays

1994
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:26,640
out of

1995
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:31,440
trash about friends

1996
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:34,239
and it's a powerful trait and i see that

1997
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:37,440
in my younger son as well i don't know

1998
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:40,080
if i inculcated that in them by my

1999
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:41,199
behavior

2000
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:43,360
um i know that they rebel against me i

2001
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,280
know they make fun of me you know for my

2002
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:47,360
spiritual interest and that's natural

2003
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:50,560
and healthy kids kids have to do that

2004
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,120
um i wish i could tell you i wish i

2005
01:20:57,430 --> 01:20:54,719
could tell myself

2006
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:57,440
what it is that inculcates values in a

2007
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:00,080
kid it might frankly jimmy you know it

2008
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:01,840
might have something to do with

2009
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:05,600
just a a a kind of receptivity to ideas

2010
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:08,000
and a sensitivity a temperament that we

2011
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,320
come into this world with

2012
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:13,199
um there may be qualities of karma

2013
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:16,239
qualities of reincarnation other things

2014
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:18,880
that recur within individuals and you

2015
01:21:22,950 --> 01:21:20,800
know some kids get exposed to all this

2016
01:21:24,950 --> 01:21:22,960
media and my kids certainly have and

2017
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:24,960
they seem to do well and i can't take

2018
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:26,960
any awards for it i can't take any

2019
01:21:31,189 --> 01:21:30,159
awards for it i i don't know i i wish i

2020
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:31,199
could be

2021
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:32,080
uh

2022
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:34,880
more eloquent in terms of how a parent

2023
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:36,719
can introduce

2024
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,960
metaphysical values into a kid's life

2025
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:40,880
but i have to tell you

2026
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:43,120
it's as much a mystery to me as the

2027
01:21:48,550 --> 01:21:46,000
ancient pyramids are i thank

2028
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,560
my stars that my kids are doing well and

2029
01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:50,880
and i i don't know the only thing i can

2030
01:21:55,350 --> 01:21:52,880
guess is that any behavior i've ever

2031
01:21:57,110 --> 01:21:55,360
inculcated in them good or bad has

2032
01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:57,120
probably been

2033
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:58,800
something imitative you know i don't

2034
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:00,480
think anything i've ever said to them

2035
01:22:04,950 --> 01:22:02,560
has made an impact so much as uh

2036
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:04,960
imitative behavior has has been present

2037
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:07,600
yeah my my my guidance to my two

2038
01:22:13,350 --> 01:22:10,480
daughters has has meant nothing

2039
01:22:15,669 --> 01:22:13,360
right you know they laugh at us they do

2040
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:15,679
and and they they have grown up to be

2041
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:17,760
two of the most beautiful

2042
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:20,800
uh young adults that i could have ever

2043
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:25,040
uh wished and and i'm i'm so blessed but

2044
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:28,239
all the advice i've ever dispensed

2045
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:29,840
that it's new

2046
01:22:35,510 --> 01:22:32,159
no no but but they're doing their own

2047
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:35,520
thing and and and you know what they're

2048
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:37,600
on their own life path finding their own

2049
01:22:42,709 --> 01:22:40,239
bliss and i think that that is probably

2050
01:22:45,189 --> 01:22:42,719
what is washed off with them is that you

2051
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:45,199
know their mom and dad are doing what

2052
01:22:49,590 --> 01:22:48,080
make them happy and that's the secret

2053
01:22:52,229 --> 01:22:49,600
you know that is the whole secret and

2054
01:22:54,470 --> 01:22:52,239
going back mitch uh i'm gonna i want to

2055
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,480
go back to this uh you know the the

2056
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:56,239
television commercials are gonna tell

2057
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:57,840
you that you need the brand new car you

2058
01:23:01,669 --> 01:23:00,080
need the you know the new set of teeth

2059
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:01,679
you know you need the the house with the

2060
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:04,560
three-car garage on it and a pool

2061
01:23:09,030 --> 01:23:06,320
that these are are what's going to make

2062
01:23:12,310 --> 01:23:09,040
you popular and that's that's that's the

2063
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,320
tv telling you that the secret is you

2064
01:23:16,390 --> 01:23:14,239
find your bliss

2065
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:16,400
you know the genie that you know the

2066
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:17,920
three wishes you're not going to wish

2067
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:20,719
for the big house you wish for the bliss

2068
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,679
and that will run its course

2069
01:23:27,430 --> 01:23:25,520
and then that other stuff

2070
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,440
that's that's the bonus

2071
01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:29,440
right that that comes with it that's not

2072
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:32,639
your focus that just happens to pop up

2073
01:23:37,510 --> 01:23:35,679
as life moves along doesn't it

2074
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,520
i agree and i'm glad you used that

2075
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:39,120
metaphor of the genie because that

2076
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,800
actually brings up an exercise that i

2077
01:23:43,750 --> 01:23:41,920
sometimes

2078
01:23:45,350 --> 01:23:43,760
challenge people to use and i challenge

2079
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,360
myself to use it you know you were

2080
01:23:49,030 --> 01:23:46,800
asking earlier

2081
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:49,040
how does the individual sort of strip

2082
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:52,960
away all the noise and get down to

2083
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:54,719
what you really want what what is your

2084
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,000
bliss what are you really passionate

2085
01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:58,960
about and i ask people to imagine

2086
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:02,239
that a genie offers to grant them one

2087
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:03,199
wish

2088
01:24:10,149 --> 01:24:08,560
ask for but it's conditioned on the fact

2089
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:10,159
that they must

2090
01:24:15,270 --> 01:24:12,960
tell the absolute truth

2091
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:15,280
of what the one thing is that they wish

2092
01:24:18,149 --> 01:24:16,639
for

2093
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:18,159
or they'll lose everything and what

2094
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:20,560
would it be and people want to protest

2095
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:23,920
well you know god how can i how can i um

2096
01:24:28,390 --> 01:24:25,840
how can i name one thing you know i have

2097
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:28,400
all kinds of uh necessities and

2098
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,239
complexities in life all kinds of

2099
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,320
responsibilities and roles

2100
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:34,960
that i need to play and i honor that i

2101
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:37,120
bow before that i do too

2102
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:39,760
but i do believe that life makes a very

2103
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:42,840
tough tough bargain with us

2104
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:45,760
that if we can focus all of our energies

2105
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:47,199
onto one thing

2106
01:24:52,070 --> 01:24:49,840
we can come into extraordinary power

2107
01:24:54,310 --> 01:24:52,080
it's a law of nature that concentration

2108
01:24:57,830 --> 01:24:54,320
brings force right we can come into a

2109
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:57,840
kind of transit dental power

2110
01:25:02,229 --> 01:25:00,159
if we're willing to focus our energies

2111
01:25:04,629 --> 01:25:02,239
on one

2112
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:04,639
thing it can be very tough

2113
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:06,880
and that one thing must be well chosen

2114
01:25:11,510 --> 01:25:08,880
we must not only be passionate about it

2115
01:25:13,830 --> 01:25:11,520
but if you choose wisely that one thing

2116
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:13,840
can cover a lot of different bases but

2117
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,760
if you look at the lives of people you

2118
01:25:19,830 --> 01:25:17,199
admire

2119
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:19,840
people you really regard as heroes or

2120
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:23,520
role models almost always they stood for

2121
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,800
one thing or they're certainly

2122
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:26,480
remembered for one thing

2123
01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:28,960
for winston churchill it was defeating

2124
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:31,360
fascism for helen keller it was

2125
01:25:36,790 --> 01:25:34,320
extolling human potential for

2126
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:36,800
uh nelson mandela it was it was a

2127
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:39,120
democracy nonviolent change for steve

2128
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:42,080
jobs it was a revolutionizing digital

2129
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:45,120
culture you know

2130
01:25:48,790 --> 01:25:46,880
these people of course they had families

2131
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:48,800
they had life they had intimate lives

2132
01:25:52,550 --> 01:25:50,960
they had many things going on in their

2133
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:52,560
lives as we all do

2134
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:54,639
but their greatness arose from the

2135
01:26:00,629 --> 01:25:58,000
capacity to concentrate their energies

2136
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:00,639
it's a tough bargain it's a tough

2137
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:03,360
bargain and it's not necessarily going

2138
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:05,760
to leave everybody around you entirely

2139
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:09,120
happy but i think that greatness arises

2140
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:11,199
from that absolute concentration of

2141
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:15,199
effort do you do you speak this out loud

2142
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,600
do you write it down or do you keep it

2143
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:19,199
internal

2144
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:25,360
in a while i will disclose very intimate

2145
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:27,120
things to people because i feel like i

2146
01:26:32,950 --> 01:26:30,320
have to provide examples of my own life

2147
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:32,960
in terms of what i'm talking about but i

2148
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:35,040
do think that there's a deep importance

2149
01:26:38,149 --> 01:26:36,560
to privacy

2150
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,159
uh some people might even call it

2151
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:40,000
secrecy but i prefer to think in terms

2152
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:43,040
of privacy because when you air

2153
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:45,840
your innermost desire to people there's

2154
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,320
every possibility that your uncle mike

2155
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:50,560
at thanksgiving we'll run it down we're

2156
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:51,520
jealous

2157
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:54,480
of breed you know humanity right

2158
01:26:59,590 --> 01:26:55,280
we

2159
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,600
friends do it our co-workers do it

2160
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:01,199
there's a lot to be said for keeping

2161
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:03,199
these for remaining silent i believe

2162
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:05,760
that this is the individual's private

2163
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:09,120
experiment well i guess that kills my

2164
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:15,510
see

2165
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:20,000
and the point is uh that you do keep it

2166
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:21,600
internal of course i was gonna ask you

2167
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:23,679
what your one wish would be or if you've

2168
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:26,080
made the one wish and what was it but if

2169
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,360
you need to keep it internal i

2170
01:27:32,470 --> 01:27:29,840
understand that but the secret to that

2171
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,480
is well hold on the secret is don't lie

2172
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,320
to yourself about it

2173
01:27:38,149 --> 01:27:35,920
don't change it

2174
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:38,159
you know you've got to stay committed

2175
01:27:43,350 --> 01:27:41,199
once you do it you can't alter it and

2176
01:27:44,870 --> 01:27:43,360
you can't and and don't lie to yourself

2177
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:44,880
don't cheat

2178
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,080
amen amen i will say this my definite

2179
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:49,920
aim is to chronicle metaphysical

2180
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,280
experience that's my aim in both history

2181
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,520
and practice to chronicle metaphysical

2182
01:28:00,709 --> 01:27:57,520
experience now i have to be fair with

2183
01:28:01,669 --> 01:28:00,719
you i'm not disclosing to you every

2184
01:28:05,110 --> 01:28:01,679
fold

2185
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:05,120
of my most intimate uh wish because i do

2186
01:28:09,270 --> 01:28:06,880
think that one has to maintain some

2187
01:28:10,790 --> 01:28:09,280
privacy and some silence around that but

2188
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:10,800
in terms of

2189
01:28:16,229 --> 01:28:14,560
to hear a good example of what a clear

2190
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:16,239
aim sounds like

2191
01:28:20,149 --> 01:28:18,080
that's one that's one it's a chronicle

2192
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,159
metaphysical experience that's that's

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the definite aim that's the overt

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vehicle of my life um i won't be

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morbidly self-disclosing because i feel

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like i do have to remain private about

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certain things and i counsel your

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listeners to remain private but that's a

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um

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uh that i would say is my my outer

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vehicle a name i think we can find the

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real intimate stuff in your tattoos if

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we look close enough it's all right

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there you display it our guest tonight

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mitch horowitz

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it's already a great conversation and

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it's only going to get better this is

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fade to black i'm murals jimmy church

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more with mitch after this short break

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so

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welcome back

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fade to black i'm nervous to be church

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our guest tonight mitch horowitz and

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01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:40,320
we're discussing

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01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:43,280
how thoughts become reality and

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changing your reality how to get it done

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01:34:52,149 --> 01:34:50,320
great conversation so far but mitch

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01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:52,159
let's let's dig a little bit deeper

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because that statement

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how thoughts become reality it's pretty

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01:35:04,149 --> 01:34:58,840
bold it's pretty strong yeah i would

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01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:06,709
it's like just oh it's suggested

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01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:09,760
yeah it is a vital component but

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it's a it's a very strong statement and

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so let's dig a little bit deeper here

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when when i say that what's the first

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thing

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01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:21,679
that that comes to mind

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i i would say the first thing that comes

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01:35:27,990 --> 01:35:25,440
to mind is i i don't use the term

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01:35:30,229 --> 01:35:28,000
manifest i use the term select and i

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01:35:32,229 --> 01:35:30,239
think that our through our emotionalized

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01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:32,239
thoughts and our mental pictures

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01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:37,280
we are selecting from among a vast range

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01:35:41,510 --> 01:35:40,159
of possibilities that we experience one

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01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:41,520
of the things i write about in the

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miracle club is that i think we have

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seen enough at this point in the 21st

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01:35:52,390 --> 01:35:50,080
century to realize that it is a fact

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01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:52,400
that there's an extra physical component

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to existence that our existence goes

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01:36:00,470 --> 01:35:56,800
beyond our five senses and that the

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01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:00,480
model of linearity does not hold up it

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01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:02,639
doesn't cover all the bases of reality

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01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:04,880
it doesn't cover particle physics it

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01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:07,840
doesn't cover extra dimensional studies

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it doesn't cover

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of time

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and i think

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that what's happening in terms of all

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this positive thinking that people talk

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01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:20,560
about is not so much that we're

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manifesting but at certain moments of

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01:36:29,669 --> 01:36:26,880
exquisite focus we are getting in touch

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01:36:31,350 --> 01:36:29,679
with the fact that linearity is only an

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01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:31,360
incredibly useful

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01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:34,239
illusion a device that we use to

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01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:37,840
navigate life in terms of our five

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01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:40,080
experience but in fact

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01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:41,920
everything exists

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01:36:46,390 --> 01:36:44,800
as an infinite possibility everything is

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01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:46,400
in superposition

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01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:50,000
all around us and that concepts of time

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and space

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01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:54,159
are understood to be relative and

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01:36:59,189 --> 01:36:56,960
particles and subatomic objects are

2369
01:37:01,669 --> 01:36:59,199
understood to be in superposition

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01:37:03,510 --> 01:37:01,679
because that's what's really going on

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01:37:05,350 --> 01:37:03,520
that's what's really going on and we

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01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:05,360
don't have the sensory equipment to see

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01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:08,159
it all the time so we experience a chair

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01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:10,960
as a chair a cat as a cat there's just

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one thing going on and there's a past

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01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:15,199
present future that's an organizing

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01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:16,880
principle and it's vital to our

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01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:20,320
existence but the reality the greater

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01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:23,360
broader reality is that we live in a

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01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:26,800
universe of infinitude and infinite

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01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:28,239
possibilities

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01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:29,920
and that

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01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:33,520
time and events are all part of a great

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01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:34,560
vast

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01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:37,199
whole and that through our focused

2386
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:39,760
perspective and emotionalized thoughts

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01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:43,040
we are in effect taking measurements

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01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:45,760
of that great hole at any different

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01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:49,040
moment and experiencing things based on

2390
01:37:53,350 --> 01:37:51,760
what we focus upon so that's my theory

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01:37:56,470 --> 01:37:53,360
at least that's my attempt to come up

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01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:56,480
with an explanation of why there seems

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to be a congruency between thought and

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01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,040
experience

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01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,520
our minds are tools of selection they

2396
01:38:08,149 --> 01:38:05,840
are measurement tools not much different

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01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:08,159
from the way that a scientist would be

2398
01:38:12,790 --> 01:38:11,440
using a microscopic measuring tool in a

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01:38:13,510 --> 01:38:12,800
laboratory

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01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:13,520
and

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01:38:20,229 --> 01:38:18,719
infinitude of life the more we realize

2402
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:20,239
what's really

2403
01:38:23,590 --> 01:38:22,320
actually going on we may not be able to

2404
01:38:25,270 --> 01:38:23,600
experience it

2405
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:25,280
at all moments we may not be able to

2406
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:28,159
experience it with consistency in fact

2407
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:30,159
it might be necessary to our existence

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01:38:32,870 --> 01:38:31,679
that we do not

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01:38:35,590 --> 01:38:32,880
but

2410
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:35,600
there is an infinitude of possibilities

2411
01:38:40,629 --> 01:38:37,520
facing us and

2412
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:40,639
uh our minds are tools of selectivity

2413
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:42,080
do you

2414
01:38:48,950 --> 01:38:46,870
uh

2415
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:48,960
in terms of trying to select something

2416
01:38:54,550 --> 01:38:51,920
yes yes yes yes i i think it helps i

2417
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:54,560
think it helps i think that that that

2418
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:57,280
repetition and assumption

2419
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,840
ultimately concretized into some kind of

2420
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:01,760
reality there may be a lot of other

2421
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:03,199
things going on and other people's

2422
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,679
thoughts that physical limitations are

2423
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:07,440
at play because we do live in a

2424
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:09,679
framework at least in which we

2425
01:39:14,390 --> 01:39:12,960
experience inevitably physical decline

2426
01:39:17,030 --> 01:39:14,400
and limitations and i think there are

2427
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,040
many laws and forces at play and going

2428
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:19,600
on around us but i absolutely do believe

2429
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:22,480
repetition affirmation emotionalized

2430
01:39:28,149 --> 01:39:23,920
thought

2431
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:28,159
meditation assumption these things wield

2432
01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:31,840
a huge power over what we experience in

2433
01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:34,639
life so yes i think i think repetition

2434
01:39:39,189 --> 01:39:37,040
is one very simple but deceptively

2435
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:39,199
simple and powerful tool that's at our

2436
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:40,639
disposal

2437
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:48,470
man i haven't spoken to bob in such a

2438
01:39:54,310 --> 01:39:51,440
long time and you think it in your mind

2439
01:39:56,149 --> 01:39:54,320
five minutes later the phone rings and

2440
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,159
and you haven't spoken to bob in five

2441
01:40:01,030 --> 01:39:58,639
years well right it's way beyond

2442
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:01,040
coincidence and we've all experienced

2443
01:40:06,550 --> 01:40:04,239
that so if we know that that is real and

2444
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:06,560
it happens whenever you want it to

2445
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:09,520
happen it seems to happen is that the

2446
01:40:14,790 --> 01:40:12,320
same type of process that is involved

2447
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:14,800
and that's actually what's going on

2448
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:17,360
i believe so i believe so obviously

2449
01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,400
there are

2450
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:20,560
coincidences that occur you know so to

2451
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:22,800
speak i mean it's just

2452
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,560
the world is filled with complexities

2453
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,560
and there's all kinds of things that are

2454
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,400
just going to happen to us

2455
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:30,400
as a result of multiple

2456
01:40:34,790 --> 01:40:32,960
laws and forces going on multiple

2457
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:34,800
instances of cause and effect

2458
01:40:38,709 --> 01:40:36,960
crisscrossing one another but when we

2459
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,719
experience

2460
01:40:43,510 --> 01:40:41,040
a really emotionally impactful

2461
01:40:44,870 --> 01:40:43,520
congruency between

2462
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:44,880
what we're thinking about and what

2463
01:40:50,310 --> 01:40:48,159
occurs or when past present and future

2464
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,320
or concepts of past present and future

2465
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:52,400
all seem to enter a kind of time

2466
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:55,440
collapse and we seem to be experiencing

2467
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,600
everything at once where things that we

2468
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:00,000
have thought about and emotional states

2469
01:41:05,189 --> 01:41:02,800
that we've occupied in the past suddenly

2470
01:41:07,590 --> 01:41:05,199
come back to us in the present

2471
01:41:10,390 --> 01:41:07,600
in this form of this extraordinary

2472
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:10,400
synchronicity or seeming coincidence

2473
01:41:14,709 --> 01:41:12,880
that has emotional gravity for us and

2474
01:41:16,390 --> 01:41:14,719
that seems to break down

2475
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:16,400
a sense of

2476
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:18,560
separation between ourselves

2477
01:41:22,950 --> 01:41:20,880
and our innermost thoughts between past

2478
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:22,960
present future these time collapse

2479
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:25,440
states i think give us a glimpse of the

2480
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,000
selecting power of our minds and yes it

2481
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,480
can be as simple as thinking of bob

2482
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:32,639
needing to talk to bob and bob is right

2483
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:33,920
there on the phone

2484
01:41:41,109 --> 01:41:36,800
rita and i uh have fun with this so much

2485
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:41,119
that uh i'll give you a perfect example

2486
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:41,920
uh

2487
01:41:46,470 --> 01:41:45,199
we want bob on the show right and we'll

2488
01:41:48,870 --> 01:41:46,480
talk about it

2489
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,880
and instead of

2490
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:50,800
sending bob an email

2491
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:53,280
right okay bob are you available next

2492
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:55,760
week or the week after i'll just go okay

2493
01:42:00,709 --> 01:41:57,920
let's just wait for the email to come in

2494
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:00,719
you know we'll just talk about it and

2495
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:02,800
and a couple of days later hey you know

2496
01:42:06,550 --> 01:42:04,639
i got this new book out i got this that

2497
01:42:09,590 --> 01:42:06,560
new tv series you know i just wanted to

2498
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:09,600
reach out and and it's just like isn't

2499
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:11,280
that funny

2500
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:12,400
yes

2501
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:16,239
it is such a powerful thing now

2502
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,440
is there danger with that

2503
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:21,840
you know if you're thinking negative

2504
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:23,040
thoughts

2505
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:25,280
or you know you can't get a negative

2506
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:26,880
thought out of your mind maybe you're

2507
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:29,199
angry at somebody you know whatever it

2508
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:30,480
could be

2509
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,840
but is there a danger with it too

2510
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:35,920
i i it's a great question and the answer

2511
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:38,800
is yes yes there is a danger to it but i

2512
01:42:42,390 --> 01:42:40,960
would say that there's a danger inherent

2513
01:42:44,790 --> 01:42:42,400
in everything that we do in life it's

2514
01:42:47,830 --> 01:42:44,800
not just metaphysical experience but

2515
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,840
you know stress will take a toll on life

2516
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:49,920
anger will take a toll on life there's a

2517
01:42:53,109 --> 01:42:51,520
great deal of danger

2518
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:53,119
getting behind the wheel of a car

2519
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:55,760
feeling angry or depressed or anxious

2520
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,760
and you know if you've got intoxicants

2521
01:43:02,310 --> 01:42:59,440
in you then you're you're entering into

2522
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,320
a whole different territory of danger uh

2523
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:04,320
uh there's a danger with addiction

2524
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:06,159
there's a danger with automatic behavior

2525
01:43:09,750 --> 01:43:07,520
there's danger

2526
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,760
uh in terms of our inability to control

2527
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:11,119
our anger so

2528
01:43:15,990 --> 01:43:13,360
you know whether our perspective on life

2529
01:43:18,470 --> 01:43:16,000
is is materialist or or whether it's

2530
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:18,480
spiritual and by spiritual i simply mean

2531
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:20,800
extra physical there's always a danger

2532
01:43:25,270 --> 01:43:23,199
there's always a danger we expand the

2533
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:25,280
conversation and i think we almost

2534
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:26,560
embrace a greater sense of

2535
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:28,960
responsibility that acknowledging that

2536
01:43:32,790 --> 01:43:30,800
our thoughts do have these extra

2537
01:43:35,270 --> 01:43:32,800
physical dimensions and that puts a an

2538
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:35,280
even greater responsibility on us

2539
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:36,080
to

2540
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:42,480
our capacities but you're absolutely

2541
01:43:47,109 --> 01:43:45,280
correct you know i mean i i think

2542
01:43:47,990 --> 01:43:47,119
if i'm walking around

2543
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:48,000
um

2544
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,320
feeling a sense of anxiety that can

2545
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,639
produce hypertension in me but it can

2546
01:43:57,590 --> 01:43:53,920
also produce

2547
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:57,600
uh possibilities that are going to

2548
01:44:02,790 --> 01:43:59,920
bring fissures and

2549
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:02,800
difficulties into my world and

2550
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:04,800
these things are omnipresent they're

2551
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,679
always with us and it it should heighten

2552
01:44:11,109 --> 01:44:09,360
a sense of one's responsibility for

2553
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,119
one's own existence

2554
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,679
if if if this is the case and i do

2555
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:15,840
believe that it is

2556
01:44:20,950 --> 01:44:16,560
uh

2557
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:20,960
is free will now part of this or are we

2558
01:44:26,709 --> 01:44:23,840
taking free will and the concept of that

2559
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,719
and kind of pushing it off to the side

2560
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:28,080
because

2561
01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:29,610
we are now uh

2562
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:30,960
[Music]

2563
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:32,960
you know creating this

2564
01:44:38,310 --> 01:44:35,520
and then therefore the future is seen

2565
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:38,320
and his plan is free will still part of

2566
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:39,679
the picture

2567
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:41,199
well it's an interesting question you

2568
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:42,800
know i was speaking with a friend last

2569
01:44:46,790 --> 01:44:44,800
night about synchronicities and we were

2570
01:44:49,030 --> 01:44:46,800
both sharing stories about fantastic

2571
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:49,040
synchronicities that have happened to us

2572
01:44:51,990 --> 01:44:50,719
and i said you know what's interesting

2573
01:44:53,910 --> 01:44:52,000
in these stories and one of the things

2574
01:44:56,629 --> 01:44:53,920
we have to watch out for is we always

2575
01:44:58,870 --> 01:44:56,639
think that we're somehow the agent

2576
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:58,880
of whatever's going on right you know

2577
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,719
that that you know

2578
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:02,880
whatever is happening however wild or

2579
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:05,360
coincidental it is you know the agency

2580
01:45:09,109 --> 01:45:07,199
somehow rests with us my hands are on

2581
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:09,119
the driver's wheel but how do i know

2582
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:10,880
that i'm not just fitting into somebody

2583
01:45:16,149 --> 01:45:13,920
else's picture or story or need or

2584
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:16,159
necessity you know i have all kinds of

2585
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:18,639
funny stories about things coming to me

2586
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,480
at just the right moment but maybe

2587
01:45:26,149 --> 01:45:23,199
somebody needed my assistance exactly

2588
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,159
that way that's exactly my point that's

2589
01:45:31,189 --> 01:45:28,880
exactly my point right right right yeah

2590
01:45:32,790 --> 01:45:31,199
yeah i was telling this funny story and

2591
01:45:35,270 --> 01:45:32,800
i repeat this in the miracle club it's

2592
01:45:37,350 --> 01:45:35,280
absolutely true about two years ago one

2593
01:45:39,510 --> 01:45:37,360
summer i started getting into the the

2594
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:39,520
monkeys the tv band the monkeys and i

2595
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,880
was listening to their music and i was

2596
01:45:43,590 --> 01:45:42,320
reading about them and i was knowing

2597
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:43,600
everything there was to know about the

2598
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,320
monkeys and everybody thought i was nuts

2599
01:45:49,990 --> 01:45:48,320
and i couldn't explain it for the life

2600
01:45:52,229 --> 01:45:50,000
of me and

2601
01:45:54,149 --> 01:45:52,239
i i then entered this interval in my

2602
01:45:56,550 --> 01:45:54,159
life where i was kind of in between

2603
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:56,560
projects and i thought to myself i want

2604
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:59,679
a really uh big assignment to kind of

2605
01:46:04,229 --> 01:46:01,920
come to me and that day i started

2606
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:04,239
getting these emails that somebody at

2607
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:05,679
the washington post was trying to reach

2608
01:46:09,030 --> 01:46:06,960
me and they couldn't get in touch with

2609
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:09,040
me and there was some email snafu so

2610
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:11,040
finally we got together and the guy said

2611
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:12,080
to me listen this is what i've been

2612
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:14,480
trying to reach you um do you know who

2613
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:16,960
mike nesmith is and i said well you know

2614
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:19,040
of course you know i mean he was he was

2615
01:46:23,189 --> 01:46:20,480
uh uh

2616
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:23,199
uh the guitarist for the for the monkeys

2617
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:25,360
yeah and and and do you know that he's a

2618
01:46:29,669 --> 01:46:27,199
christian scientist and i said no you

2619
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:29,679
know i i didn't know that and he said

2620
01:46:33,750 --> 01:46:31,199
yeah did you know that he just wrote a

2621
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:33,760
new memoir and i said no i didn't know

2622
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:35,280
that he said would you like to review it

2623
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:37,119
and i said well of course i would and

2624
01:46:41,109 --> 01:46:39,040
his memoir is called infinite tuesday

2625
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:41,119
and it's about these time loops and

2626
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:43,040
synchronicities to some extent that

2627
01:46:47,510 --> 01:46:45,760
we're talking about right now and

2628
01:46:49,990 --> 01:46:47,520
you know i thought to myself wow it was

2629
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:50,000
almost like i was precognitive you know

2630
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:51,600
seeing that this assignment was going to

2631
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:54,239
come somewhere in in time and you know

2632
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:55,440
that's why i was into the monkeys and

2633
01:46:58,950 --> 01:46:57,040
then as i was speaking about this i

2634
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:58,960
thought wait a minute how do i know that

2635
01:47:02,709 --> 01:47:00,960
i had any agency in any of this right

2636
01:47:04,470 --> 01:47:02,719
maybe ned smith was thinking you know

2637
01:47:05,830 --> 01:47:04,480
gee i really need a reviewer who's not

2638
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:05,840
going to be a jerk and who's going to

2639
01:47:09,750 --> 01:47:07,679
respect my metaphysical point of view

2640
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:09,760
and you know so that's how i entered the

2641
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,159
picture i'm just a a you know an

2642
01:47:16,149 --> 01:47:14,400
ancillary to all this you know we always

2643
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:16,159
like to think that we're the ones with

2644
01:47:19,510 --> 01:47:17,520
agency but

2645
01:47:21,270 --> 01:47:19,520
it it could be that you know maybe it

2646
01:47:23,030 --> 01:47:21,280
wasn't mike maybe it was somebody else

2647
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:23,040
maybe the the the editor of the

2648
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:24,960
washington post was thinking you know

2649
01:47:28,629 --> 01:47:26,639
boy we need to spruce up this review

2650
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:28,639
section i need to get you know something

2651
01:47:33,109 --> 01:47:30,880
more metaphysical going on here so that

2652
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:33,119
brings ned smith and me into play you

2653
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:35,679
know who knows and and of course i'm

2654
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:37,040
talking about all this on the most

2655
01:47:42,229 --> 01:47:39,280
elementary level there could be much

2656
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,239
vast or greater uh levels of of

2657
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:44,159
intentionality at work that i don't even

2658
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,480
have a single glimpse of so all of this

2659
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:48,239
really complicates the question of free

2660
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:50,719
will and leaves me with more questions

2661
01:47:54,470 --> 01:47:52,560
and mysteries than i had before yeah i

2662
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:54,480
know and you must have just sat back and

2663
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:56,320
just said well my hands weren't on the

2664
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:58,159
wheel this time

2665
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:01,119
it's a trip it's a trip right and i must

2666
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:03,440
say i write about all this weirdness in

2667
01:48:07,910 --> 01:48:06,159
the review itself and the editor at the

2668
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:07,920
post left it in and i really appreciated

2669
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:09,760
that because there's not a great deal of

2670
01:48:13,270 --> 01:48:11,280
metaphysical rumination in the

2671
01:48:15,430 --> 01:48:13,280
washington post and i really appreciated

2672
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:15,440
them leaving in mind so the whole

2673
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:17,920
experience was quite wild yeah the

2674
01:48:22,470 --> 01:48:20,800
monkeys of all the things in the known

2675
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:22,480
universe right

2676
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:24,400
everyone thought i was nuts why are you

2677
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,560
listening to the monkeys you know grow

2678
01:48:31,590 --> 01:48:28,320
up you know and i was like no no no

2679
01:48:34,310 --> 01:48:31,600
these guys have it going on and you know

2680
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:34,320
it all just played such a strange it was

2681
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:36,719
such a weird epic kind of opera of

2682
01:48:40,870 --> 01:48:38,880
events i never could have predicted any

2683
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:40,880
of it yeah and i you know when it comes

2684
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:42,239
to free will

2685
01:48:50,950 --> 01:48:46,560
of course i would like to think that

2686
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:50,960
free will is as a as a reality concept

2687
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:52,719
right that's that's part of our reality

2688
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:55,360
free will is here we all want and desire

2689
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:56,159
that

2690
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:57,119
and then

2691
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:58,480
then you hear

2692
01:49:02,149 --> 01:49:00,800
physicists and scientists start talking

2693
01:49:04,870 --> 01:49:02,159
about math

2694
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:04,880
going back to the big bang the numbers

2695
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:07,600
played out the way they played out

2696
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:10,239
everything is going to continue to play

2697
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:13,199
out as the math works

2698
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:14,639
that's it

2699
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:17,280
there is no free will i mean no matter

2700
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:19,280
what you think the decision you are

2701
01:49:23,510 --> 01:49:21,040
making no

2702
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,520
that is the way that atoms at this at

2703
01:49:28,229 --> 01:49:25,280
the atomic level

2704
01:49:30,070 --> 01:49:28,239
are just operating and it was going to

2705
01:49:32,229 --> 01:49:30,080
happen that way that decision that you

2706
01:49:34,550 --> 01:49:32,239
made was going to happen no matter what

2707
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:34,560
and that kind of freaks me out

2708
01:49:41,350 --> 01:49:38,239
it freaks me out uh i i suppose i take

2709
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,360
refuge from my freaking out in ancient

2710
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:43,360
egyptian philosophy because some of the

2711
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:45,119
hermetic philosophy that we were talking

2712
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:46,400
about before that we're going to speak

2713
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:48,960
about this summer teaches that

2714
01:49:53,510 --> 01:49:50,960
well i guess the great maxim is as above

2715
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:53,520
so below as above so below right which

2716
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:56,400
appears in western scripture as uh god

2717
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:58,400
created man in his own image and if we

2718
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:00,880
take seriously the notion that

2719
01:50:06,070 --> 01:50:04,000
everything is mirrored in different

2720
01:50:07,990 --> 01:50:06,080
concentric circles in the universe and

2721
01:50:10,149 --> 01:50:08,000
that we are created in the image of some

2722
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:10,159
greater higher mind somewhere then it

2723
01:50:14,149 --> 01:50:12,080
stands to reason that we do have some

2724
01:50:16,149 --> 01:50:14,159
creative capacities within our own

2725
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:16,159
sphere of existence that's what the

2726
01:50:20,709 --> 01:50:18,800
ancients believed and and they had a

2727
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:20,719
tremendously intimate knowledge of the

2728
01:50:25,910 --> 01:50:23,040
natural world in ways that i don't think

2729
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:25,920
we've even begun to come to terms with

2730
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,159
yet and they also had calendrics and

2731
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:30,400
mathematics and geometry and knowledge

2732
01:50:34,229 --> 01:50:33,119
of architecture and repeat uh patterns

2733
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:34,239
in nature and they were very

2734
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:36,000
sophisticated in these ways as well and

2735
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:38,880
yet their philosophy led them to believe

2736
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:41,920
that you and i and everyone listening

2737
01:50:46,470 --> 01:50:42,880
are

2738
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:46,480
in ourselves reflections of some great

2739
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:49,119
higher mind which the greeks called

2740
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,080
a noose and this great creative mind uh

2741
01:50:57,910 --> 01:50:55,199
creating us thus in its image gave us

2742
01:50:59,750 --> 01:50:57,920
the capacity to create so you know thus

2743
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:59,760
comes in an argument in favor of some

2744
01:51:03,830 --> 01:51:02,159
kind of free will or human capacity it's

2745
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:03,840
a tremendous mystery in the end i can

2746
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,679
only just fall to my knees in front of

2747
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:07,679
it basically it's it's interesting to

2748
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:10,239
talk about synchronicities have you seen

2749
01:51:15,189 --> 01:51:12,960
the new uh docu-series it's called hell

2750
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,199
year have you seen that yet

2751
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,840
i have not have you heard about it

2752
01:51:21,709 --> 01:51:19,440
no this is the first i'm hearing okay

2753
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:21,719
just write it down hell yeah

2754
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:24,000
h-e-l-l-i-e-r hellyer's a city in

2755
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:25,280
kentucky

2756
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:28,480
and but anyway uh last night i had on

2757
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,360
greg and dana newkirk the stars of uh

2758
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:33,520
hellyer and uh they're apparently yeah

2759
01:51:37,189 --> 01:51:35,520
they're paranormal investigators great

2760
01:51:39,990 --> 01:51:37,199
couple they do amazing work and the

2761
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:40,000
series is really good but

2762
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:42,560
in one of the episodes

2763
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:44,239
they discuss

2764
01:51:48,950 --> 01:51:47,679
as above so below i watched it yesterday

2765
01:51:52,390 --> 01:51:48,960
right

2766
01:51:55,990 --> 01:51:52,400
and and i'm watching them uh discuss the

2767
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:56,000
meaning of as above so below as you just

2768
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:58,320
discussed it here in the same context

2769
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:00,560
what is the hidden meaning of it you

2770
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:02,639
know and that you know it's alchemical

2771
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,560
we understand that it's it's hermeticism

2772
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:06,159
we understand that too

2773
01:52:12,149 --> 01:52:08,960
but how it is interpreted

2774
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:12,159
is is as above so below

2775
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,440
left up to us to figure it out or is

2776
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:17,520
there an actual direct meaning to as

2777
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:19,440
above so below

2778
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,480
um

2779
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:22,400
these are tremendous questions i mean

2780
01:52:25,910 --> 01:52:24,480
you're getting into some of humanity's

2781
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:25,920
deepest questions about its own

2782
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:29,760
capacities i think probably there is a

2783
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,960
vastness of meaning to that expression

2784
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:34,800
and i'm able to

2785
01:52:39,790 --> 01:52:37,119
interpret it in my life

2786
01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:39,800
as having some sort of creative and

2787
01:52:42,310 --> 01:52:41,360
psychological

2788
01:52:44,950 --> 01:52:42,320
meaning

2789
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:44,960
but i think in the broadest sense it

2790
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,599
does indicate to us that we are part of

2791
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:49,520
a great vast

2792
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:52,400
wholeness and that understanding

2793
01:52:58,390 --> 01:52:54,719
the micro allows one in some way to

2794
01:53:00,070 --> 01:52:58,400
understand the macro and uh in as much

2795
01:53:01,510 --> 01:53:00,080
as we're given perspective on this

2796
01:53:03,350 --> 01:53:01,520
physical

2797
01:53:04,790 --> 01:53:03,360
plane and framework that we find

2798
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:04,800
ourselves in

2799
01:53:09,030 --> 01:53:07,280
that is as close as we have to a

2800
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:09,040
universal law

2801
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:11,440
because uh and i bring it up because

2802
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,040
there was

2803
01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:15,520
it's like three or four uh people from

2804
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,119
the show sitting around

2805
01:53:24,229 --> 01:53:19,840
discussing the meaning of as above so

2806
01:53:25,589 --> 01:53:24,239
below as varied uh of definitions as you

2807
01:53:28,070 --> 01:53:25,599
can imagine

2808
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:28,080
and and i just found that very very

2809
01:53:33,350 --> 01:53:31,520
interesting because you hear it so often

2810
01:53:37,430 --> 01:53:33,360
but what does it but what does it

2811
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:37,440
actually mean what does it truly mean

2812
01:53:42,550 --> 01:53:39,040
yes yes

2813
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:42,560
i i look at it i've my my take on it

2814
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:44,719
every time that i hear it i have this

2815
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:49,199
vision of uh knowledge

2816
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:52,400
of the unknown which is the above the

2817
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:54,560
knowledge of the unknown

2818
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,520
right

2819
01:53:59,990 --> 01:53:57,599
is is

2820
01:54:02,070 --> 01:54:00,000
whether we like it or not is part of our

2821
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:02,080
lives here

2822
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,239
that that's that you know i'm being very

2823
01:54:09,669 --> 01:54:07,119
broad in how i'm trying to describe this

2824
01:54:11,589 --> 01:54:09,679
but that's how i see it you know but

2825
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:11,599
then there's a black and white there's a

2826
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:14,560
duality here that's going on there's a

2827
01:54:19,350 --> 01:54:16,880
negative positive thing that's going on

2828
01:54:20,950 --> 01:54:19,360
below is very negative it feels negative

2829
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:20,960
it feels like hell

2830
01:54:25,669 --> 01:54:23,760
right and have above is heaven

2831
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:25,679
you know there's so there's that mix of

2832
01:54:30,790 --> 01:54:27,760
it too but i don't quite see it that way

2833
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:30,800
but others may interpret it that way

2834
01:54:33,109 --> 01:54:31,599
right

2835
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:33,119
i see it

2836
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:36,800
at least in terms of of my my use of

2837
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:39,199
that principle as a general source of

2838
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:40,400
guidance

2839
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:48,070
approbation to create a probation to

2840
01:54:54,149 --> 01:54:51,040
strive approbation to develop yourself

2841
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:54,159
that in as far as there is a universal

2842
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:56,800
creator or intelligence or mind or power

2843
01:55:03,189 --> 01:54:58,560
however you want to think of it

2844
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:03,199
that serves as a kind of creative agency

2845
01:55:09,350 --> 01:55:06,080
in our cosmos so do we

2846
01:55:13,750 --> 01:55:09,360
so do we serve the centers of creativity

2847
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:13,760
in life and i i believe i really believe

2848
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:16,320
that the meaning of our lives is to be

2849
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:18,560
productive is to be generative is to be

2850
01:55:22,950 --> 01:55:21,440
creative in whatever field we're

2851
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:22,960
dedicated to i mean certainly

2852
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:25,599
biologically we see that and understand

2853
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:27,760
that as a fact but i think that

2854
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:29,199
generativity

2855
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:31,840
productivity being part of some kind of

2856
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:35,040
circuit of creation is absolutely vital

2857
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:37,920
to who we are and if we don't

2858
01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:39,520
participate in that if we don't

2859
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:42,000
assimilate that into our lives then we

2860
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:43,040
just

2861
01:55:48,470 --> 01:55:45,440
get into escapism we devolve into

2862
01:55:50,550 --> 01:55:48,480
escapism where we're just watching

2863
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:50,560
tv we're just

2864
01:55:56,950 --> 01:55:53,280
overeating we're just taking drugs we're

2865
01:55:59,750 --> 01:55:56,960
just drinking life becomes escapism and

2866
01:56:02,870 --> 01:55:59,760
i think we experience a kind of slow

2867
01:56:05,910 --> 01:56:02,880
agonizing decline and we anesthetize

2868
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:05,920
ourselves against it when we don't

2869
01:56:09,189 --> 01:56:08,080
realize our capacities as creative

2870
01:56:12,149 --> 01:56:09,199
productive

2871
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:12,159
beings in in the fullest sense yes and

2872
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:14,480
and the egyptians understood i i i think

2873
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:17,599
that we're you know referencing entropy

2874
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:21,040
here in in in a sense in that

2875
01:56:25,750 --> 01:56:23,599
uh the egyptians fully embraced it and

2876
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:25,760
understood it and chose to try to

2877
01:56:28,470 --> 01:56:27,360
control it and make it part of their

2878
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:28,480
lives

2879
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:31,760
but yeah in in in another broader sense

2880
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:34,960
if we don't do as the egyptians did

2881
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:37,840
which is understand the chaos that we

2882
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:40,000
are experiencing today

2883
01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:43,040
that we can in a sense control entropy

2884
01:56:46,470 --> 01:56:45,199
even though science says that

2885
01:56:49,030 --> 01:56:46,480
uh

2886
01:56:51,189 --> 01:56:49,040
you know coming apart is is the end

2887
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:51,199
result of everything

2888
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:54,239
yes yeah you know i i think that

2889
01:56:58,870 --> 01:56:56,639
we live and this is one of the areas

2890
01:57:00,870 --> 01:56:58,880
where i believe hermeticism is is

2891
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:00,880
extremely valuable in terms of helping

2892
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:03,599
us understand our possibilities and our

2893
01:57:08,470 --> 01:57:05,840
limits today

2894
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:08,480
we are extensions of the highest but the

2895
01:57:12,629 --> 01:57:10,480
branch is not the same thing

2896
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:12,639
as the tree and the tree is not the same

2897
01:57:18,390 --> 01:57:15,360
thing as the root and

2898
01:57:20,709 --> 01:57:18,400
we do function within a cosmic framework

2899
01:57:22,470 --> 01:57:20,719
where we are going to inevitably of

2900
01:57:25,109 --> 01:57:22,480
course experience

2901
01:57:27,589 --> 01:57:25,119
physical decline and demise there's

2902
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:27,599
never been an exception to that that is

2903
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:29,840
part of our experience whether there's

2904
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:32,560
some greater awareness or a possibility

2905
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:35,040
for us to move up through some kind of

2906
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:36,320
concentric

2907
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:38,880
circles that give us greater perspective

2908
01:57:44,229 --> 01:57:41,040
on that and that expose

2909
01:57:47,510 --> 01:57:44,239
death as being something that's not

2910
01:57:49,990 --> 01:57:47,520
uh final that we pass on to other other

2911
01:57:51,830 --> 01:57:50,000
forms and other energies of course i'm

2912
01:57:53,270 --> 01:57:51,840
filled with questions about that but we

2913
01:57:55,430 --> 01:57:53,280
will experience

2914
01:57:57,830 --> 01:57:55,440
physical decline and demise within this

2915
01:58:00,310 --> 01:57:57,840
cosmic framework so

2916
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,320
we are creators but we are creators

2917
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:03,119
within a framework that has been

2918
01:58:06,550 --> 01:58:05,040
established for us in as much as there

2919
01:58:08,550 --> 01:58:06,560
is a framework

2920
01:58:09,990 --> 01:58:08,560
that a tree for example

2921
01:58:12,310 --> 01:58:10,000
lives within so

2922
01:58:15,669 --> 01:58:12,320
you know we have to be moored to those

2923
01:58:17,990 --> 01:58:15,679
experiences as well we have to realize

2924
01:58:20,950 --> 01:58:18,000
that as much as we can enjoy talking

2925
01:58:22,790 --> 01:58:20,960
about infinite possibilities and

2926
01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:22,800
the ultimate

2927
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:24,480
uh

2928
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:26,960
existence of consciousness as an arbiter

2929
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:28,560
of all creation

2930
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:30,880
we're also going to experience

2931
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:32,080
decline

2932
01:58:38,149 --> 01:58:36,239
and pain and joys and tragedies and

2933
01:58:39,350 --> 01:58:38,159
natural disasters and all kinds of

2934
01:58:41,910 --> 01:58:39,360
things that

2935
01:58:43,350 --> 01:58:41,920
are not going to be avoidable in terms

2936
01:58:45,910 --> 01:58:43,360
of our experience

2937
01:58:48,790 --> 01:58:45,920
but i think that is also reflected in as

2938
01:58:51,669 --> 01:58:48,800
above so below we are creators but we're

2939
01:58:54,709 --> 01:58:51,679
creators below as you were referencing

2940
01:58:57,510 --> 01:58:54,719
within a a framework of experiential

2941
01:58:59,750 --> 01:58:57,520
limitations absolutely fascinating mitch

2942
01:59:02,310 --> 01:58:59,760
let's take a break right here i want to

2943
01:59:04,390 --> 01:59:02,320
i want to continue the hermeticism a

2944
01:59:05,589 --> 01:59:04,400
discussion uh with you when we come back

2945
01:59:07,350 --> 01:59:05,599
i'm going to pick up right where we're

2946
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:07,360
leaving off our guest tonight mitch

2947
01:59:10,709 --> 01:59:09,040
horowitz this is faded black i'm your

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jimmy church stay with us we'll be right

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welcome back paid to black our guest

3056
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tonight mitch horowitz fascinating

3057
02:04:19,589 --> 02:04:17,840
conversation

3058
02:04:21,910 --> 02:04:19,599
and we're going to continue right where

3059
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:21,920
we left off and

3060
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:23,280
and mitch

3061
02:04:27,430 --> 02:04:25,119
as we're going through this conversation

3062
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:27,440
this headline just popped up are you

3063
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:30,320
ready for this the u.s uh food and drug

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administration has approved jansen

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pharmaceuticals

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uh

3067
02:04:39,430 --> 02:04:36,480
s cal

3068
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:39,440
hold on s ketamine i think that's how

3069
02:04:43,189 --> 02:04:41,360
you say it on tuesday for treatment

3070
02:04:44,390 --> 02:04:43,199
resistant depression

3071
02:04:48,070 --> 02:04:44,400
a drug

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02:04:50,550 --> 02:04:48,080
that is the chemical cousin to ketamine

3073
02:04:53,109 --> 02:04:50,560
it's a nasal spray

3074
02:04:53,990 --> 02:04:53,119
and you know it's the club drug special

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02:04:55,669 --> 02:04:54,000
k

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02:04:58,229 --> 02:04:55,679
is not going to be

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02:04:59,350 --> 02:04:58,239
a treatment for depression in a nasal

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02:05:02,709 --> 02:04:59,360
spray

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02:05:03,910 --> 02:05:02,719
there we go let's let's add to the chaos

3080
02:05:11,270 --> 02:05:03,920
and

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02:05:12,149 --> 02:05:11,280
egyptians understood

3082
02:05:13,910 --> 02:05:12,159
um

3083
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:13,920
they understood

3084
02:05:20,390 --> 02:05:16,320
and they embraced

3085
02:05:22,229 --> 02:05:20,400
order out of chaos i mean each year the

3086
02:05:24,790 --> 02:05:22,239
flooding of the nile

3087
02:05:27,030 --> 02:05:24,800
brought this unpredictability this

3088
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:27,040
craziness washing away villages and they

3089
02:05:32,229 --> 02:05:29,760
didn't know but it also brought

3090
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:32,239
uh nutrients to the soil they knew that

3091
02:05:35,910 --> 02:05:34,400
they'd be able to grow their their crops

3092
02:05:38,709 --> 02:05:35,920
and and

3093
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:38,719
the the cycle of life would continue and

3094
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:40,560
they embraced and they started to

3095
02:05:46,149 --> 02:05:42,960
understand that yes

3096
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:46,159
it's chaotic it's out of control

3097
02:05:51,350 --> 02:05:48,480
but we use it to

3098
02:05:54,310 --> 02:05:51,360
to advance our culture and for us to

3099
02:05:56,310 --> 02:05:54,320
live and they understood order out of

3100
02:05:58,950 --> 02:05:56,320
chaos didn't they

3101
02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:58,960
oh yeah that's a very interesting point

3102
02:06:01,510 --> 02:06:00,000
um

3103
02:06:02,950 --> 02:06:01,520
you know by the way i don't know if

3104
02:06:04,790 --> 02:06:02,960
you're hearing this on your end but i'm

3105
02:06:05,990 --> 02:06:04,800
getting some uh interference i don't

3106
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:06,000
know if you're able to hear it in your

3107
02:06:10,550 --> 02:06:07,760
uh

3108
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:10,560
it's the headline of ketamine

3109
02:06:13,510 --> 02:06:12,800
okay it should be gone now sorry about

3110
02:06:16,229 --> 02:06:13,520
that

3111
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:16,239
all right no problem um you make it a

3112
02:06:20,790 --> 02:06:17,599
very good point and one of the things

3113
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:20,800
that i found in egypt that astonished me

3114
02:06:26,550 --> 02:06:23,760
was this i'm very interested in

3115
02:06:29,109 --> 02:06:26,560
uh a figure named seth who's sometimes

3116
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:29,119
thought of as the egyptian god of chaos

3117
02:06:32,950 --> 02:06:31,040
or sometimes thought of as the god of

3118
02:06:34,709 --> 02:06:32,960
the underworld but in fact he was the

3119
02:06:39,350 --> 02:06:34,719
god of the desert he was the god of

3120
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:39,360
storms and there was a a a a beautiful

3121
02:06:45,030 --> 02:06:42,800
and necessary and vital and noble uh

3122
02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:45,040
fierceness and strength and power about

3123
02:06:50,790 --> 02:06:47,199
set he's sometimes depicted as the

3124
02:06:53,669 --> 02:06:50,800
adversary of horus um who is sort of

3125
02:06:56,390 --> 02:06:53,679
seen as the god of of life and

3126
02:06:57,990 --> 02:06:56,400
sustenance there was a base relief that

3127
02:07:00,470 --> 02:06:58,000
demonstrated

3128
02:07:01,589 --> 02:07:00,480
exactly what you were saying a unity a

3129
02:07:03,109 --> 02:07:01,599
unity

3130
02:07:05,109 --> 02:07:03,119
of both

3131
02:07:07,189 --> 02:07:05,119
set and horus and in fact i think i'll

3132
02:07:08,069 --> 02:07:07,199
post it on twitter for your listeners

3133
02:07:10,390 --> 02:07:08,079
later

3134
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:10,400
and it shows the two of them with joined

3135
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:12,400
hands set and horus together

3136
02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:15,040
and it demonstrates the absolute

3137
02:07:20,149 --> 02:07:19,119
necessity of these two forces one of

3138
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:20,159
fierce

3139
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:24,639
creativity and a beautiful noble kind of

3140
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:27,440
wildness and strength and the other a

3141
02:07:34,950 --> 02:07:31,599
force of uh orderliness and

3142
02:07:37,830 --> 02:07:34,960
right angles and containment and the two

3143
02:07:40,390 --> 02:07:37,840
of these things are vital parts of

3144
02:07:43,350 --> 02:07:40,400
creation and this beautiful beautiful

3145
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:43,360
base relief uh which i came upon in

3146
02:07:48,629 --> 02:07:45,920
egypt uh demonstrated that and i was

3147
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:48,639
really fortunate to see it because uh

3148
02:07:54,790 --> 02:07:50,880
the god set was a vital part of egyptian

3149
02:07:57,510 --> 02:07:54,800
life in his his name and and meaning is

3150
02:08:00,550 --> 02:07:57,520
not often heard or understood today even

3151
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:00,560
among people who are into egyptology

3152
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:02,880
and i just find it so interesting that

3153
02:08:08,790 --> 02:08:06,159
so many thousands of years ago

3154
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:08,800
that they understood these concepts

3155
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:09,760
you know

3156
02:08:12,950 --> 02:08:11,920
and if you think about it where

3157
02:08:15,750 --> 02:08:12,960
uh

3158
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:15,760
academia likes to focus on

3159
02:08:20,390 --> 02:08:18,239
you know egypt and then and then greece

3160
02:08:24,550 --> 02:08:20,400
and then rome as being the foundations

3161
02:08:26,629 --> 02:08:24,560
of of civilization uh greece and rome uh

3162
02:08:29,189 --> 02:08:26,639
when when egypt was going through all of

3163
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:29,199
these concepts and understanding them

3164
02:08:35,669 --> 02:08:32,079
rome wasn't even mud huts yet that that

3165
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:35,679
was that was 2 000 years later

3166
02:08:38,470 --> 02:08:36,480
right

3167
02:08:40,229 --> 02:08:38,480
i think it's very difficult for us

3168
02:08:41,669 --> 02:08:40,239
that's a good point it's difficult for

3169
02:08:45,589 --> 02:08:41,679
us to understand

3170
02:08:47,350 --> 02:08:45,599
the antiquity of egyptian culture when

3171
02:08:49,030 --> 02:08:47,360
the greek historian herodotus

3172
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:49,040
encountered the pyramids they were as

3173
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:51,520
ancient to him as herodotus is

3174
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:52,560
to us

3175
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,800
and we don't even fully understand the

3176
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:56,639
timeline of ancient egyptian culture but

3177
02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:58,400
even if you stick with this traditional

3178
02:09:02,310 --> 02:08:59,599
timeline

3179
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:02,320
we're going back to 3000 bc and it's

3180
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:04,480
just inconceivable even according to the

3181
02:09:10,229 --> 02:09:06,960
conventional calendrics

3182
02:09:13,270 --> 02:09:10,239
uh how long-standing a civilization

3183
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:13,280
ancient egypt was it's very difficult

3184
02:09:18,550 --> 02:09:15,520
for us to even get our arms around that

3185
02:09:19,910 --> 02:09:18,560
one fact much less uh

3186
02:09:21,589 --> 02:09:19,920
the the

3187
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:21,599
uh spiritual

3188
02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:24,560
mythical scientific and psychological uh

3189
02:09:28,069 --> 02:09:26,400
view of life and understanding that the

3190
02:09:30,310 --> 02:09:28,079
ancients possessed

3191
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:30,320
let's stay right there for a second uh

3192
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:32,480
you just got back from egypt

3193
02:09:36,390 --> 02:09:33,840
and i think it's one of the most

3194
02:09:37,510 --> 02:09:36,400
important points that uh we can make

3195
02:09:40,149 --> 02:09:37,520
today

3196
02:09:41,669 --> 02:09:40,159
is that when herodotus went to egypt in

3197
02:09:43,910 --> 02:09:41,679
300 bc

3198
02:09:46,390 --> 02:09:43,920
uh the egyptians at that point had no

3199
02:09:47,830 --> 02:09:46,400
clue about themselves either right they

3200
02:09:49,109 --> 02:09:47,840
didn't they didn't know how old they

3201
02:09:51,589 --> 02:09:49,119
were right

3202
02:09:53,669 --> 02:09:51,599
there was no books lying around

3203
02:09:55,910 --> 02:09:53,679
and and all of that stuff started to get

3204
02:09:57,910 --> 02:09:55,920
compiled about that time is it went

3205
02:09:59,669 --> 02:09:57,920
around to different temples and

3206
02:10:02,790 --> 02:09:59,679
and and did their best

3207
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:02,800
to to chronicle and and go back uh you

3208
02:10:08,229 --> 02:10:07,119
know to 3000 bc and and and menace mene

3209
02:10:11,189 --> 02:10:08,239
but

3210
02:10:12,950 --> 02:10:11,199
they did not know how they were they

3211
02:10:14,790 --> 02:10:12,960
didn't even understand it

3212
02:10:16,950 --> 02:10:14,800
and and today we

3213
02:10:20,870 --> 02:10:16,960
we really don't

3214
02:10:21,830 --> 02:10:20,880
we don't have a concept of that but for

3215
02:10:29,589 --> 02:10:21,840
you

3216
02:10:31,910 --> 02:10:29,599
get these ideas so early on at at 2500

3217
02:10:34,069 --> 02:10:31,920
bc forget about building in the pyramids

3218
02:10:37,109 --> 02:10:34,079
it's the understanding of the universe

3219
02:10:40,069 --> 02:10:37,119
and and mathematics and and philosophy

3220
02:10:42,390 --> 02:10:40,079
and laws and religion and education and

3221
02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:42,400
music and and

3222
02:10:48,550 --> 02:10:45,440
all of that was was part of what should

3223
02:10:51,669 --> 02:10:48,560
have been a pure stone age culture

3224
02:10:53,589 --> 02:10:51,679
yeah ancient man was a great deal more

3225
02:10:54,550 --> 02:10:53,599
sophisticated and complex in his

3226
02:10:55,430 --> 02:10:54,560
thinking

3227
02:11:01,350 --> 02:10:55,440
and

3228
02:11:02,149 --> 02:11:01,360
his knowledge of nature was much vaster

3229
02:11:06,390 --> 02:11:02,159
and

3230
02:11:07,430 --> 02:11:06,400
we're able to conceive of when we use

3231
02:11:09,189 --> 02:11:07,440
the term

3232
02:11:11,830 --> 02:11:09,199
nature today

3233
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:11,840
uh his knowledge of the cosmos and his

3234
02:11:18,470 --> 02:11:15,760
dependency upon the natural world was so

3235
02:11:20,550 --> 02:11:18,480
vital that peering into the workings and

3236
02:11:23,750 --> 02:11:20,560
the makings of the natural world

3237
02:11:25,750 --> 02:11:23,760
was not only a matter of knowing oneself

3238
02:11:27,830 --> 02:11:25,760
but it was a matter of life and death

3239
02:11:30,069 --> 02:11:27,840
it's it's the mystery of humanity it's

3240
02:11:31,910 --> 02:11:30,079
the mystery of humanity you know where

3241
02:11:33,589 --> 02:11:31,920
all this was

3242
02:11:36,870 --> 02:11:33,599
emergent from

3243
02:11:39,430 --> 02:11:36,880
and it it adds a further wrinkle to

3244
02:11:41,750 --> 02:11:39,440
our discussion of the meaning of as

3245
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:41,760
above so below where where did these

3246
02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:43,599
ideas come from my

3247
02:11:48,629 --> 02:11:47,280
my my sense is that man's mind is more

3248
02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:48,639
expansive

3249
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:50,400
and more capable

3250
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:53,840
of absorbing higher states of

3251
02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:56,719
meaning and extra physical

3252
02:12:00,870 --> 02:11:59,599
concepts and ideas then

3253
02:12:02,870 --> 02:12:00,880
we

3254
02:12:05,270 --> 02:12:02,880
allow ourselves to understand in the

3255
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:05,280
21st century i think the mind

3256
02:12:11,270 --> 02:12:08,400
is connected to something greater call

3257
02:12:13,669 --> 02:12:11,280
it an oversoul as emerson did or noose

3258
02:12:17,030 --> 02:12:13,679
as the ancient greeks did

3259
02:12:18,149 --> 02:12:17,040
or infinite mind or a supermind as some

3260
02:12:20,470 --> 02:12:18,159
people

3261
02:12:22,229 --> 02:12:20,480
term it today but i think our mind is

3262
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:22,239
capable of

3263
02:12:28,310 --> 02:12:25,199
extraordinary extra physical experiences

3264
02:12:30,870 --> 02:12:28,320
and you find that inherent within uh the

3265
02:12:33,830 --> 02:12:30,880
philosophy of hermeticism this ancient

3266
02:12:37,510 --> 02:12:33,840
uh egyptian greek philosophy well do and

3267
02:12:38,550 --> 02:12:37,520
i guess what i'm pushing you towards is

3268
02:12:39,510 --> 02:12:38,560
uh

3269
02:12:42,629 --> 02:12:39,520
do you

3270
02:12:43,990 --> 02:12:42,639
start to accept you specifically and and

3271
02:12:48,550 --> 02:12:44,000
the rest of us

3272
02:12:51,510 --> 02:12:48,560
that the ancient gods of egypt before uh

3273
02:12:54,149 --> 02:12:51,520
you know uh pre-dynastic egypt

3274
02:12:56,629 --> 02:12:54,159
that that is actually reality that they

3275
02:12:58,709 --> 02:12:56,639
were writing about reality that set and

3276
02:13:01,510 --> 02:12:58,719
sekhmet and horus and

3277
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:01,520
and osiris that these were all

3278
02:13:04,069 --> 02:13:02,480
real

3279
02:13:05,350 --> 02:13:04,079
that that's where the knowledge came

3280
02:13:07,270 --> 02:13:05,360
from

3281
02:13:08,790 --> 02:13:07,280
you know i'm glad you asked that jimmy

3282
02:13:10,950 --> 02:13:08,800
and this is why i love being on your

3283
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:10,960
show personally speaking uh the answer

3284
02:13:15,589 --> 02:13:13,520
is yes i do believe that that that these

3285
02:13:18,149 --> 02:13:15,599
beings are real you could say that they

3286
02:13:20,390 --> 02:13:18,159
are personifications of energy

3287
02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:20,400
you know humanity has been doing that uh

3288
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:23,920
since its its most primeval origins

3289
02:13:29,030 --> 02:13:26,800
maybe we call it uh by a certain name we

3290
02:13:31,550 --> 02:13:29,040
call it mercury we call it hermes or we

3291
02:13:33,109 --> 02:13:31,560
call it thoth but it is a

3292
02:13:35,109 --> 02:13:33,119
personification

3293
02:13:37,589 --> 02:13:35,119
of a kind of energy and i think that's a

3294
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:37,599
legitimate way of communicating with the

3295
02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:39,280
greater world with the higher world i

3296
02:13:43,189 --> 02:13:40,079
have

3297
02:13:45,350 --> 02:13:43,199
a a beautiful

3298
02:13:47,510 --> 02:13:45,360
piece of original papyrus depicting the

3299
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:47,520
god set hanging up in my apartment right

3300
02:13:55,350 --> 02:13:50,800
now that i'm looking at um i venerate it

3301
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:55,360
i i i i worship it i i i petition this

3302
02:14:00,149 --> 02:13:57,679
this deific figure i do believe it's a

3303
02:14:02,790 --> 02:14:00,159
personification of energy i do believe

3304
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:02,800
it's real i think that our ancient

3305
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:05,040
ancestors were quite right and we should

3306
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:07,920
not limit ourselves to just studying

3307
02:14:12,629 --> 02:14:10,079
their architecture their geometry their

3308
02:14:15,669 --> 02:14:12,639
calendrics but their spiritual beliefs

3309
02:14:17,990 --> 02:14:15,679
were real insights and and

3310
02:14:20,550 --> 02:14:18,000
and we can find retentions of absolute

3311
02:14:22,229 --> 02:14:20,560
truth within these spiritual beliefs and

3312
02:14:23,669 --> 02:14:22,239
we are not limited in our

3313
02:14:26,149 --> 02:14:23,679
experimentation that's one of the

3314
02:14:28,069 --> 02:14:26,159
wonderful legacies we live with today so

3315
02:14:31,109 --> 02:14:28,079
my answer to your question is absolutely

3316
02:14:34,310 --> 02:14:31,119
yes i believe that sekhmet and and sat

3317
02:14:35,589 --> 02:14:34,320
and others of the uh ancient difficult

3318
02:14:38,550 --> 02:14:35,599
uh

3319
02:14:44,069 --> 02:14:38,560
are

3320
02:14:46,149 --> 02:14:44,079
energy and can be appealed to

3321
02:14:49,830 --> 02:14:46,159
what do we what do we do with those

3322
02:14:51,910 --> 02:14:49,840
ideas of uh alexandria and and

3323
02:14:54,950 --> 02:14:51,920
hermeticism and thoth

3324
02:14:56,950 --> 02:14:54,960
um and these concepts that were

3325
02:14:58,550 --> 02:14:56,960
collected from around the world all the

3326
02:15:00,550 --> 02:14:58,560
great philosophers and thinkers and

3327
02:15:03,910 --> 02:15:00,560
scientists you know were all getting

3328
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:03,920
together and apparently having fun and

3329
02:15:10,550 --> 02:15:07,040
sharing wisdom without uh ego coming

3330
02:15:11,430 --> 02:15:10,560
into play um and their own cultures

3331
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:11,440
and

3332
02:15:16,229 --> 02:15:13,760
that knowledge is somewhere i don't

3333
02:15:19,109 --> 02:15:16,239
think it went down in you know the

3334
02:15:21,750 --> 02:15:19,119
burning of the library i think those

3335
02:15:24,229 --> 02:15:21,760
concepts uh continued uh where do you

3336
02:15:26,390 --> 02:15:24,239
think that they went to next

3337
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:26,400
well you know fortunately and this is

3338
02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:28,800
why the hermetic literature

3339
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:30,960
is so important the hermetic literature

3340
02:15:34,069 --> 02:15:33,040
was a collection of manuscripts that

3341
02:15:36,550 --> 02:15:34,079
were written

3342
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:36,560
uh in the decades immediately following

3343
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:40,159
christ by greek egyptians and

3344
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:42,320
as best as we can understand

3345
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:43,440
they took

3346
02:15:48,870 --> 02:15:47,920
egyptian philosophy

3347
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:48,880
and

3348
02:15:54,069 --> 02:15:51,840
they translated it into

3349
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:54,079
a literary language

3350
02:15:57,669 --> 02:15:54,960
greek

3351
02:16:00,950 --> 02:15:57,679
which we have the capacity to understand

3352
02:16:03,430 --> 02:16:00,960
and and translate and commune with today

3353
02:16:06,550 --> 02:16:03,440
the egyptian hieroglyphic

3354
02:16:09,589 --> 02:16:06,560
was was more of a symbolical language it

3355
02:16:12,790 --> 02:16:09,599
wasn't expository in the same way that

3356
02:16:15,830 --> 02:16:12,800
greek is so in the hermetic literature

3357
02:16:18,790 --> 02:16:15,840
we have a kind of time capsule we have a

3358
02:16:22,149 --> 02:16:18,800
kind of retention of ancient egyptian

3359
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:22,159
ideas ideas that had probably circulated

3360
02:16:27,750 --> 02:16:25,440
for many many hundreds of years in oral

3361
02:16:30,870 --> 02:16:27,760
tradition since that seems to be the the

3362
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:30,880
habit of humanity things occur first and

3363
02:16:35,030 --> 02:16:32,800
are passed along through oral tradition

3364
02:16:36,629 --> 02:16:35,040
and only later are written down that's

3365
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:36,639
why the hermetic literature is so

3366
02:16:41,990 --> 02:16:39,200
valuable to me and in an occult book

3367
02:16:46,070 --> 02:16:42,000
like the caballon you do have you do

3368
02:16:48,070 --> 02:16:46,080
have authentic vestiges and threads of

3369
02:16:49,349 --> 02:16:48,080
some of this ancient wisdom and that's

3370
02:16:51,190 --> 02:16:49,359
something that that we're going to be

3371
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:51,200
talking about at your conference this

3372
02:16:54,709 --> 02:16:52,479
summer so

3373
02:16:57,349 --> 02:16:54,719
some of this is hidden in plain sight in

3374
02:16:59,750 --> 02:16:57,359
the sense that we do have a few

3375
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:59,760
precious precious

3376
02:17:02,790 --> 02:17:00,800
threads

3377
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:02,800
of wisdom that have been preserved in

3378
02:17:07,429 --> 02:17:05,599
the hermetic literature that give us

3379
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:07,439
an insight into some of the

3380
02:17:11,429 --> 02:17:08,719
understanding

3381
02:17:13,509 --> 02:17:11,439
of the ancients where does it survive

3382
02:17:15,589 --> 02:17:13,519
today you know where we talk about the

3383
02:17:16,629 --> 02:17:15,599
mystery schools and

3384
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:16,639
and

3385
02:17:22,709 --> 02:17:20,319
uh that it it it's out there where do we

3386
02:17:24,150 --> 02:17:22,719
where do we where does it survive today

3387
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:24,160
if you could point

3388
02:17:28,790 --> 02:17:26,399
this audience in a direction

3389
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:28,800
where do you think it continues

3390
02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:31,200
i think that i i don't think

3391
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:33,920
frankly that there's any great

3392
02:17:39,270 --> 02:17:36,160
mystery school or there's

3393
02:17:41,429 --> 02:17:39,280
any you know lodge you know filled with

3394
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:41,439
with with people who are

3395
02:17:47,429 --> 02:17:44,639
kind of vouchsafing uh this wisdom i i

3396
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:47,439
don't think that the secret school is

3397
02:17:51,830 --> 02:17:49,200
something that's going to bear fruit for

3398
02:17:54,790 --> 02:17:51,840
people if they go in search of it but i

3399
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:54,800
do think that some of this

3400
02:18:01,270 --> 02:17:59,760
ancient wisdom does live within and is

3401
02:18:02,150 --> 02:18:01,280
attainable

3402
02:18:04,389 --> 02:18:02,160
to

3403
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:04,399
the deeply sensitive motivated

3404
02:18:08,629 --> 02:18:06,399
individual who really searches through

3405
02:18:10,790 --> 02:18:08,639
the ideas of the ancients and

3406
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:10,800
experiments

3407
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:15,040
in life today you can get yourself a few

3408
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:17,120
decent translations of the hermetic

3409
02:18:20,070 --> 02:18:18,880
literature for example one that i

3410
02:18:21,429 --> 02:18:20,080
recommend

3411
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:21,439
is um

3412
02:18:24,389 --> 02:18:23,359
it's just called hermetica and the

3413
02:18:26,790 --> 02:18:24,399
translator

3414
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:26,800
is brian copenhaver it's from cambridge

3415
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:29,120
university press inner traditions my

3416
02:18:32,790 --> 02:18:30,880
publisher also publishes a really

3417
02:18:34,950 --> 02:18:32,800
excellent translation of some of the

3418
02:18:36,830 --> 02:18:34,960
hermetic literature you can you can

3419
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:36,840
start there with some of those

3420
02:18:40,830 --> 02:18:38,880
translations but you're going to have to

3421
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:40,840
bring yourself into

3422
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:44,880
experimentation with these ideas the fee

3423
02:18:50,230 --> 02:18:47,599
of entry to esoteric ideas is getting

3424
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:50,240
one's hands dirty you you have to have a

3425
02:18:54,629 --> 02:18:52,160
mechanism for experimenting with these

3426
02:18:56,230 --> 02:18:54,639
things i'm working and experimenting all

3427
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:56,240
the time with

3428
02:19:00,950 --> 02:18:58,399
meditation and visualization and the

3429
02:19:03,509 --> 02:19:00,960
uses of the mind and trying to discover

3430
02:19:05,349 --> 02:19:03,519
congruencies between thought and reality

3431
02:19:07,270 --> 02:19:05,359
and also not get lost

3432
02:19:08,709 --> 02:19:07,280
in just kind of imagining what's there

3433
02:19:11,110 --> 02:19:08,719
when it really isn't because it's what

3434
02:19:13,750 --> 02:19:11,120
i'm looking for

3435
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:13,760
there are a precious few places where i

3436
02:19:18,709 --> 02:19:15,840
think you can find colleagues to study

3437
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:18,719
esoteric wisdom with

3438
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:20,639
but they're not dramatic and they're not

3439
02:19:23,270 --> 02:19:22,000
you know they don't involve secret

3440
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:23,280
handshakes

3441
02:19:28,070 --> 02:19:25,840
and um i think people who lay claims to

3442
02:19:29,910 --> 02:19:28,080
secrecy often don't know what they're

3443
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:29,920
talking about i think they're they're

3444
02:19:33,910 --> 02:19:31,760
they're they're victims of artifice

3445
02:19:35,669 --> 02:19:33,920
themselves they may think they belong to

3446
02:19:37,509 --> 02:19:35,679
some sort of ancient order that's that's

3447
02:19:40,309 --> 02:19:37,519
not really there don't get lost in drama

3448
02:19:41,830 --> 02:19:40,319
don't get lost in pageantry or costumery

3449
02:19:42,629 --> 02:19:41,840
or whatsoever

3450
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:42,639
but

3451
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:44,479
throw yourself throw yourself into

3452
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:46,000
experiment throw yourself into

3453
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:48,240
experiment and this can include chaos

3454
02:19:54,150 --> 02:19:51,359
magic and ceremonial magic and the lima

3455
02:19:56,309 --> 02:19:54,160
and and new thought and all kinds of

3456
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:56,319
different ideas you know if you can find

3457
02:20:02,070 --> 02:19:59,040
a legitimate strain of shamanic thoughts

3458
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:02,080
and then then follow that but don't kid

3459
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:04,160
yourself that any one thing is going to

3460
02:20:07,349 --> 02:20:05,680
become the turnkey that unlocks

3461
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:07,359
everything for you the great likelihood

3462
02:20:09,510 --> 02:20:08,000
is

3463
02:20:10,389 --> 02:20:09,520
that you'll have to experiment with a

3464
02:20:14,950 --> 02:20:10,399
lot of

3465
02:20:18,150 --> 02:20:14,960
begin to find

3466
02:20:20,230 --> 02:20:18,160
a convergence of paths a convergence of

3467
02:20:22,469 --> 02:20:20,240
ideas and and that may lead you to some

3468
02:20:24,309 --> 02:20:22,479
individual insight so again we come back

3469
02:20:25,990 --> 02:20:24,319
to as above so below i think that if

3470
02:20:27,990 --> 02:20:26,000
there's a place where some of these

3471
02:20:31,750 --> 02:20:28,000
things exist they exist within the

3472
02:20:32,950 --> 02:20:31,760
psyche of the mature experimenting the

3473
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:32,960
seeker

3474
02:20:36,230 --> 02:20:34,560
where would we

3475
02:20:37,710 --> 02:20:36,240
be today

3476
02:20:40,150 --> 02:20:37,720
if if

3477
02:20:43,910 --> 02:20:40,160
alexandria wasn't burned down right if

3478
02:20:47,429 --> 02:20:43,920
we had all of those ancient texts in and

3479
02:20:48,790 --> 02:20:47,439
and the technology and the science and

3480
02:20:52,550 --> 02:20:48,800
and the religion

3481
02:20:53,349 --> 02:20:52,560
the philosophy would have continued uh

3482
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:53,359
through

3483
02:20:59,110 --> 02:20:56,000
uh you know year zero would we have been

3484
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:59,120
on the moon you know 2 000 years ago

3485
02:21:02,950 --> 02:21:01,680
right who can know who can know you know

3486
02:21:04,870 --> 02:21:02,960
maybe there would have been some other

3487
02:21:07,110 --> 02:21:04,880
cataclysmic event that would have

3488
02:21:09,190 --> 02:21:07,120
deprived us of this knowledge since

3489
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:09,200
human beings seem

3490
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,760
better at dividing against one another

3491
02:21:15,750 --> 02:21:13,680
you know than we are as anything else

3492
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:15,760
you know practically so

3493
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:18,080
uh these cataclysmic events and these

3494
02:21:23,750 --> 02:21:21,120
outbreaks of of mass violence seem to be

3495
02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:23,760
part of of human culture so uh you know

3496
02:21:28,469 --> 02:21:26,399
one could only guess but the possibility

3497
02:21:30,870 --> 02:21:28,479
is of course that some other

3498
02:21:32,469 --> 02:21:30,880
catastrophe would have occurred that

3499
02:21:33,270 --> 02:21:32,479
that would have deprived us of some of

3500
02:21:36,710 --> 02:21:33,280
that

3501
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:36,720
you've laid your hands on one of the

3502
02:21:42,389 --> 02:21:39,280
great what ifs of of human history yeah

3503
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:42,399
and what is speaking of what ifs uh

3504
02:21:47,750 --> 02:21:44,960
let's kind of end on this note

3505
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:47,760
what if i mean you know go quickly tepi

3506
02:21:53,910 --> 02:21:50,960
was uh was found in 1995 wasn't supposed

3507
02:21:56,309 --> 02:21:53,920
to exist now we have an ancient temple

3508
02:21:59,190 --> 02:21:56,319
of high technology that was built seven

3509
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:59,200
thousand years before the great pyramid

3510
02:22:03,510 --> 02:22:01,280
that it wasn't supposed to exist we were

3511
02:22:06,309 --> 02:22:03,520
told that you know ancient egypt was the

3512
02:22:08,550 --> 02:22:06,319
start of everything at 3100 bc now we

3513
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:08,560
have gobekli tepi what if with the

3514
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:11,359
thawing of these glaciers in greenland

3515
02:22:16,630 --> 02:22:14,960
or in antarctica that some crazy thing

3516
02:22:17,429 --> 02:22:16,640
is exposed

3517
02:22:18,950 --> 02:22:17,439
where

3518
02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:18,960
obviously

3519
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:20,720
things aren't

3520
02:22:25,190 --> 02:22:22,720
what we have been taught

3521
02:22:27,349 --> 02:22:25,200
you know some fifty thousand hundred

3522
02:22:31,750 --> 02:22:27,359
thousand year old city

3523
02:22:34,830 --> 02:22:31,760
is is revealed or text or or information

3524
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:34,840
are we equipped to handle that today

3525
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:38,160
uh i would submit to you that not only

3526
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:40,399
are we not equipped to handle it but a

3527
02:22:45,510 --> 02:22:43,520
whole industry of people would spring up

3528
02:22:47,590 --> 02:22:45,520
to ridicule it and to deter

3529
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:47,600
investigation of it and to pronounce it

3530
02:22:51,910 --> 02:22:50,000
a hoax and to pronounce it nonsense

3531
02:22:53,990 --> 02:22:51,920
because this is it it's sort of like the

3532
02:22:57,510 --> 02:22:54,000
allegory of the cave over and over again

3533
02:22:59,670 --> 02:22:57,520
i mean my friends uh robert shock and

3534
02:23:02,070 --> 02:22:59,680
and the late john anthony west

3535
02:23:04,150 --> 02:23:02,080
discovered water erosion on the oldest

3536
02:23:06,309 --> 02:23:04,160
portion of the snakes and rather than

3537
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:06,319
just saying well this is curious and

3538
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:08,399
marshalling some resources to

3539
02:23:13,510 --> 02:23:11,680
investigate it uh academia most of

3540
02:23:17,030 --> 02:23:13,520
academia continually

3541
02:23:19,590 --> 02:23:17,040
runs them down dismisses it uh comes up

3542
02:23:21,750 --> 02:23:19,600
with uh contradictory

3543
02:23:24,630 --> 02:23:21,760
uh evidence or what is presented as

3544
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:24,640
contradictory evidence without directly

3545
02:23:29,990 --> 02:23:27,439
without directly answering the water

3546
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,000
erosion thesis itself and this is a very

3547
02:23:34,469 --> 02:23:32,479
important point i want to make it's it's

3548
02:23:37,510 --> 02:23:34,479
one thing to come up with evidence that

3549
02:23:39,349 --> 02:23:37,520
you purport is contradictory and that's

3550
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:39,359
important and that's necessary but it's

3551
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:41,520
not the same thing as actually

3552
02:23:46,630 --> 02:23:43,040
investigating

3553
02:23:48,790 --> 02:23:46,640
and and responding to the water erosion

3554
02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:48,800
thesis itself so there's an instance

3555
02:23:54,230 --> 02:23:52,080
where uh two scientists discovered

3556
02:23:57,750 --> 02:23:54,240
something that could question

3557
02:23:59,830 --> 02:23:57,760
uh the timeline of antiquity and rather

3558
02:24:02,389 --> 02:23:59,840
than saying well this is interesting

3559
02:24:05,270 --> 02:24:02,399
let's investigate it let's see what's

3560
02:24:07,510 --> 02:24:05,280
there a whole industry of people have

3561
02:24:10,950 --> 02:24:07,520
instead deemed it

3562
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:10,960
a dangerous doorway to irrationality

3563
02:24:14,710 --> 02:24:12,240
and

3564
02:24:17,190 --> 02:24:14,720
tried to come up with ways to

3565
02:24:19,510 --> 02:24:17,200
counter and ridicule the thesis while

3566
02:24:21,750 --> 02:24:19,520
not directly responding to the thesis

3567
02:24:24,550 --> 02:24:21,760
itself so my suspicion is based on human

3568
02:24:25,830 --> 02:24:24,560
nature if glacial melting brought us

3569
02:24:27,830 --> 02:24:25,840
face to face with something

3570
02:24:30,150 --> 02:24:27,840
extraordinary we'd probably spend the

3571
02:24:33,990 --> 02:24:30,160
next generation running it down and

3572
02:24:36,070 --> 02:24:34,000
denying its existence how sad right

3573
02:24:37,990 --> 02:24:36,080
it is sad but but knowledge wants to be

3574
02:24:39,270 --> 02:24:38,000
free and it's a basic of human nature

3575
02:24:41,990 --> 02:24:39,280
that we want to know what's around the

3576
02:24:44,469 --> 02:24:42,000
next kill so you know you can burn the

3577
02:24:47,030 --> 02:24:44,479
fleet you can smash galileo's telescope

3578
02:24:49,190 --> 02:24:47,040
you can you can tear up the maps but but

3579
02:24:51,670 --> 02:24:49,200
the human wish to know will will always

3580
02:24:54,950 --> 02:24:51,680
be uh triumphant i believe yeah one of

3581
02:24:57,590 --> 02:24:54,960
the i encourage anybody that if you want

3582
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:57,600
to have a paradigm shift a mind-bending

3583
02:25:00,710 --> 02:24:58,880
experience

3584
02:25:03,510 --> 02:25:00,720
simply go to the met

3585
02:25:05,110 --> 02:25:03,520
and walk through the egyptian wing yes

3586
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:05,120
that's all you got to do that's all you

3587
02:25:11,830 --> 02:25:08,640
got to do you walk up i really agree

3588
02:25:15,349 --> 02:25:11,840
you just go up to a 4 500 year old

3589
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:15,359
you know 10 ton 20 ton sarcophagus

3590
02:25:19,110 --> 02:25:17,600
carved out a black granite with those

3591
02:25:20,469 --> 02:25:19,120
inscriptions and you look at that and

3592
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:20,479
you go man

3593
02:25:24,469 --> 02:25:23,840
somebody's lying to us because yeah that

3594
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:24,479
is

3595
02:25:31,990 --> 02:25:28,960
books don't you know with the pictures

3596
02:25:34,309 --> 02:25:32,000
the internet no go and look at this for

3597
02:25:36,790 --> 02:25:34,319
yourselves and then you'll start to get

3598
02:25:39,590 --> 02:25:36,800
it you'll start to understand

3599
02:25:41,429 --> 02:25:39,600
i quite agree that's beautifully put and

3600
02:25:43,110 --> 02:25:41,439
uh if you walk through

3601
02:25:45,190 --> 02:25:43,120
those galleries and they're open to

3602
02:25:47,349 --> 02:25:45,200
everybody you will absolutely be be

3603
02:25:48,870 --> 02:25:47,359
haunted by by what you see and haunted

3604
02:25:51,590 --> 02:25:48,880
in the best way it'll give you a great

3605
02:25:53,429 --> 02:25:51,600
sense that there's there's so much more

3606
02:25:55,670 --> 02:25:53,439
that we've understood what we see is not

3607
02:25:57,590 --> 02:25:55,680
all there is now mitch i i want to thank

3608
02:25:59,110 --> 02:25:57,600
you i know that you've uh you've got to

3609
02:26:01,830 --> 02:25:59,120
go do your thing and then get on this

3610
02:26:05,110 --> 02:26:01,840
plane and get get out here to la

3611
02:26:06,389 --> 02:26:05,120
what is your first event once you get

3612
02:26:09,190 --> 02:26:06,399
here

3613
02:26:11,670 --> 02:26:09,200
my first event is going to be thursday

3614
02:26:14,950 --> 02:26:11,680
night at seven o'clock at manly hall

3615
02:26:18,389 --> 02:26:14,960
school it's called unvanquished angels

3616
02:26:20,230 --> 02:26:18,399
america's not so lost occult heroes and

3617
02:26:22,750 --> 02:26:20,240
you can register for this by going to

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02:26:26,950 --> 02:26:22,760
uprs.edu

3619
02:26:29,830 --> 02:26:26,960
going to be terrific it's going to kick

3620
02:26:32,630 --> 02:26:29,840
off a few days of some really wonderful

3621
02:26:33,990 --> 02:26:32,640
esoteric activities i can't wait and i'm

3622
02:26:36,070 --> 02:26:34,000
going to do my best to get out there

3623
02:26:37,910 --> 02:26:36,080
thursday night obviously i'm on the air

3624
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:37,920
thank you man but uh

3625
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:39,840
we've got to hang out this uh this trip

3626
02:26:44,790 --> 02:26:42,319
uh we missed each other last time let's

3627
02:26:46,309 --> 02:26:44,800
uh let's uh uh you rita and i go out and

3628
02:26:47,990 --> 02:26:46,319
break some bread

3629
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:48,000
right on we'll do it i'll talk to you

3630
02:26:52,309 --> 02:26:50,000
mitch safe travels

3631
02:26:54,630 --> 02:26:52,319
safe travels out west

3632
02:26:57,190 --> 02:26:54,640
thank you great to be here mitch

3633
02:26:59,270 --> 02:26:57,200
horowitz everybody now all of the links

3634
02:27:01,510 --> 02:26:59,280
for mitch's schedule and everything is

3635
02:27:03,429 --> 02:27:01,520
up we've got it up in twitter and we

3636
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:03,439
certainly have it up on the website

3637
02:27:07,670 --> 02:27:05,120
going click and if you're here in los

3638
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angeles san francisco phoenix come on

3639
02:27:12,389 --> 02:27:10,319
out and hang out with mitch this weekend

3640
02:27:14,630 --> 02:27:12,399
at the manly p hall center right here in

3641
02:27:16,389 --> 02:27:14,640
glendale california our murals jimmy

3642
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:16,399
church i'm going to get out of here

3643
02:27:20,150 --> 02:27:18,479
uh come back after this short break i

3644
02:27:21,990 --> 02:27:20,160
want to thank mitch and of course i'm

3645
02:27:23,910 --> 02:27:22,000
going to open up the phone lines what

3646
02:27:25,910 --> 02:27:23,920
did you think about this conversation

3647
02:27:28,500 --> 02:27:25,920
tonight we'll do all of that right after

3648
02:27:34,630 --> 02:27:28,510
this short break stay with us

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3736
02:32:05,690 --> 02:32:03,270
all right welcome back fade to black

3737
02:32:09,270 --> 02:32:05,700
i'm opening up the phone lines right now

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02:32:11,270 --> 02:32:09,280
[Music]

3739
02:32:18,150 --> 02:32:14,870
seven four seven two two eight two zero

3740
02:32:19,429 --> 02:32:18,160
five one and um while we wait for the

3741
02:32:21,510 --> 02:32:19,439
delay

3742
02:32:24,630 --> 02:32:21,520
and the calls to come in

3743
02:32:28,150 --> 02:32:24,640
um a fascinating conversation tonight

3744
02:32:30,309 --> 02:32:28,160
and manifesting uh that's that's my word

3745
02:32:34,469 --> 02:32:30,319
you know creating your

3746
02:32:37,429 --> 02:32:34,479
your own reality it is 100 possible

3747
02:32:40,389 --> 02:32:37,439
it's 100 possible and

3748
02:32:41,670 --> 02:32:40,399
the the concepts behind it although

3749
02:32:43,349 --> 02:32:41,680
simple

3750
02:32:45,429 --> 02:32:43,359
they take work

3751
02:32:48,710 --> 02:32:45,439
and it can't be

3752
02:32:49,830 --> 02:32:48,720
uh simplified there's no easy road but

3753
02:32:52,950 --> 02:32:49,840
you can

3754
02:32:54,950 --> 02:32:52,960
and the power of the mind and thought is

3755
02:32:57,670 --> 02:32:54,960
is so strong

3756
02:32:59,830 --> 02:32:57,680
that if you choose to do that you know

3757
02:33:01,750 --> 02:32:59,840
uh

3758
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:01,760
be careful

3759
02:33:08,230 --> 02:33:06,560
because

3760
02:33:11,910 --> 02:33:08,240
what i think that you want to base

3761
02:33:14,150 --> 02:33:11,920
everything on something as simple as

3762
02:33:18,309 --> 02:33:14,160
finding your bliss

3763
02:33:20,710 --> 02:33:18,319
what is it what is that one thing

3764
02:33:23,349 --> 02:33:20,720
what is that one thing where

3765
02:33:25,030 --> 02:33:23,359
you will achieve that that happiness

3766
02:33:28,389 --> 02:33:25,040
that glow

3767
02:33:29,910 --> 02:33:28,399
right and everything else will follow

3768
02:33:31,030 --> 02:33:29,920
everything else

3769
02:33:34,230 --> 02:33:31,040
um

3770
02:33:37,670 --> 02:33:34,240
again going back to these concepts and i

3771
02:33:40,070 --> 02:33:37,680
do want to hear from from you about this

3772
02:33:43,910 --> 02:33:40,080
so uh the numbers are open now

3773
02:33:48,309 --> 02:33:46,150
in that the reason why you want to be

3774
02:33:51,670 --> 02:33:48,319
careful find your bliss and that is

3775
02:33:53,270 --> 02:33:51,680
something that is is very very personal

3776
02:33:55,190 --> 02:33:53,280
don't be scared

3777
02:33:57,910 --> 02:33:55,200
whatever it is don't be embarrassed

3778
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:57,920
about it or whatever it's what makes you

3779
02:34:02,630 --> 02:33:59,040
happy

3780
02:34:04,710 --> 02:34:02,640
and everything else will align itself

3781
02:34:06,469 --> 02:34:04,720
into your life

3782
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:06,479
with that

3783
02:34:11,110 --> 02:34:08,080
comes the chaos

3784
02:34:14,550 --> 02:34:11,120
and i addressed this in my opening

3785
02:34:17,910 --> 02:34:14,560
statement and rant tonight on the show

3786
02:34:20,150 --> 02:34:17,920
in that rita and i decided

3787
02:34:22,790 --> 02:34:20,160
to change our reality

3788
02:34:23,910 --> 02:34:22,800
we did and we made a very conscious

3789
02:34:25,590 --> 02:34:23,920
effort

3790
02:34:27,830 --> 02:34:25,600
in in that

3791
02:34:31,190 --> 02:34:27,840
and we did and we pulled it off what

3792
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:31,200
comes with that is chaos i expressed it

3793
02:34:35,510 --> 02:34:34,560
in very personal and in a very direct

3794
02:34:37,830 --> 02:34:35,520
way

3795
02:34:40,870 --> 02:34:37,840
what came with that are things that you

3796
02:34:42,710 --> 02:34:40,880
have to deal with and figure out a way

3797
02:34:45,429 --> 02:34:42,720
to embrace

3798
02:34:48,790 --> 02:34:45,439
because that chaos

3799
02:34:51,190 --> 02:34:48,800
that that unwinding that ungluing

3800
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:51,200
of your life is going to come with that

3801
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:54,560
because now you are changing directions

3802
02:35:02,469 --> 02:34:59,200
and and and and nobody warned me

3803
02:35:05,270 --> 02:35:02,479
nobody let reed and i know that this is

3804
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:05,280
what's going to come along with the ride

3805
02:35:09,190 --> 02:35:06,240
okay

3806
02:35:12,550 --> 02:35:09,200
we were so focused on on getting things

3807
02:35:15,190 --> 02:35:12,560
done and still are to this day that the

3808
02:35:18,950 --> 02:35:15,200
chaos and the things that started to

3809
02:35:21,910 --> 02:35:18,960
erupt and it erupted and it it it it

3810
02:35:24,870 --> 02:35:21,920
showed itself very very early

3811
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:24,880
and naturally this is what we did

3812
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:29,520
naturally we chose to ignore

3813
02:35:33,190 --> 02:35:31,760
some of the negative things we chose to

3814
02:35:35,429 --> 02:35:33,200
ignore

3815
02:35:37,429 --> 02:35:35,439
uh things that would take us out you

3816
02:35:40,389 --> 02:35:37,439
know i keep saying this that we were in

3817
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:40,399
our lane and we're still in our lane

3818
02:35:43,750 --> 02:35:42,240
things that were trying to pull us out

3819
02:35:44,710 --> 02:35:43,760
of our lane

3820
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:44,720
no

3821
02:35:50,389 --> 02:35:48,319
we stayed true

3822
02:35:52,630 --> 02:35:50,399
right and we stayed in our lane and it's

3823
02:35:54,550 --> 02:35:52,640
hard man oh

3824
02:35:56,469 --> 02:35:54,560
it's hard you just got your hands on

3825
02:35:58,469 --> 02:35:56,479
that wheel and you're just staying in

3826
02:36:00,870 --> 02:35:58,479
your lane but

3827
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:00,880
nobody told it naturally

3828
02:36:05,270 --> 02:36:04,319
we figured this out day to day today

3829
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:05,280
today

3830
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:09,040
right and and figuring out that uh there

3831
02:36:13,349 --> 02:36:11,439
were going to be jealousies and there

3832
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:13,359
was going to be some negative influence

3833
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:15,120
there was people

3834
02:36:19,270 --> 02:36:17,280
out there not everybody

3835
02:36:21,510 --> 02:36:19,280
but people hate

3836
02:36:23,349 --> 02:36:21,520
uh success

3837
02:36:26,150 --> 02:36:23,359
and it doesn't matter

3838
02:36:28,790 --> 02:36:26,160
and what i am referring to here uh about

3839
02:36:31,750 --> 02:36:28,800
this show is it a success well in its

3840
02:36:33,429 --> 02:36:31,760
own little way it is

3841
02:36:35,190 --> 02:36:33,439
certainly it is

3842
02:36:38,710 --> 02:36:35,200
uh a success

3843
02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:38,720
but in your own lives out there in your

3844
02:36:42,469 --> 02:36:40,800
own lives when you're out doing your

3845
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:42,479
thing and you're successful at something

3846
02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:43,680
you know

3847
02:36:51,670 --> 02:36:49,280
that don't want to see somebody succeed

3848
02:36:53,670 --> 02:36:51,680
they just they don't like it and they

3849
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:53,680
will do everything to fight it and they

3850
02:36:58,389 --> 02:36:56,479
will say things to you and plan things

3851
02:37:00,550 --> 02:36:58,399
in your mind and

3852
02:37:03,670 --> 02:37:00,560
and and try to throw you off your game

3853
02:37:04,389 --> 02:37:03,680
to get you to drive out of your lane

3854
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:04,399
so

3855
02:37:09,190 --> 02:37:06,240
hearing this for me and hearing this

3856
02:37:11,190 --> 02:37:09,200
from mitch and others will reinforce

3857
02:37:14,150 --> 02:37:11,200
that in you

3858
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:14,160
to recognize it when it happens it's not

3859
02:37:17,429 --> 02:37:15,280
you

3860
02:37:19,270 --> 02:37:17,439
it's other things out there

3861
02:37:21,670 --> 02:37:19,280
right and and so

3862
02:37:23,830 --> 02:37:21,680
changing your reality and getting this

3863
02:37:26,790 --> 02:37:23,840
on on on track

3864
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:26,800
and giving you this advice right now and

3865
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:30,399
a self-awareness of what is possible

3866
02:37:35,830 --> 02:37:33,280
and not only in changing your reality

3867
02:37:39,030 --> 02:37:35,840
but those other forces out there that

3868
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:39,040
will start to create chaos

3869
02:37:44,469 --> 02:37:41,040
and you have to recognize that when it's

3870
02:37:46,230 --> 02:37:44,479
coming in okay so uh now i'm going to

3871
02:37:47,750 --> 02:37:46,240
let everybody know that like this caller

3872
02:37:49,349 --> 02:37:47,760
right here i'm going to put you on hold

3873
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:49,359
right now don't freak out it's going to

3874
02:37:54,070 --> 02:37:51,760
go silent okay i'm going to bring in

3875
02:37:57,030 --> 02:37:54,080
another caller right now

3876
02:37:59,750 --> 02:37:57,040
you stay right there i'm about to put

3877
02:38:00,950 --> 02:37:59,760
you on hold welcome to the show stay

3878
02:38:03,510 --> 02:38:00,960
right there

3879
02:38:05,670 --> 02:38:03,520
and uh let's uh

3880
02:38:07,270 --> 02:38:05,680
let's uh let's start uh seeing what's on

3881
02:38:09,190 --> 02:38:07,280
people's minds

3882
02:38:11,270 --> 02:38:09,200
let's go here first hi you're live on

3883
02:38:15,110 --> 02:38:11,280
fade to black who's calling

3884
02:38:18,230 --> 02:38:15,120
hi this is leanna hi leanna how are you

3885
02:38:21,190 --> 02:38:18,240
i am good jimmy i think you're awesome

3886
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:21,200
i think you're awesome

3887
02:38:25,110 --> 02:38:23,359
thank you so much i appreciate that

3888
02:38:27,670 --> 02:38:25,120
what's on your mind

3889
02:38:30,070 --> 02:38:27,680
well you know you were talking about

3890
02:38:32,070 --> 02:38:30,080
how people try to derail you once you're

3891
02:38:33,429 --> 02:38:32,080
successful

3892
02:38:35,670 --> 02:38:33,439
and

3893
02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:35,680
one of the reasons why i think

3894
02:38:39,349 --> 02:38:37,439
that i don't try to go for that one

3895
02:38:42,230 --> 02:38:39,359
thing or what i love is because i'm

3896
02:38:43,590 --> 02:38:42,240
afraid at my very core i'm going to lose

3897
02:38:45,190 --> 02:38:43,600
people

3898
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:45,200
yeah you know what

3899
02:38:49,510 --> 02:38:47,120
it's inevitable

3900
02:38:52,790 --> 02:38:49,520
right yeah i know right but yes yes do

3901
02:38:55,510 --> 02:38:52,800
you want to put your happiness

3902
02:38:57,830 --> 02:38:55,520
you know in jeopardy yeah you know and

3903
02:38:59,510 --> 02:38:57,840
and the other thing is this leanna and i

3904
02:39:02,389 --> 02:38:59,520
i really mean this

3905
02:39:05,270 --> 02:39:02,399
our time on this planet in our physical

3906
02:39:07,990 --> 02:39:05,280
selves is very very short and you know

3907
02:39:09,510 --> 02:39:08,000
when we hear this all the time but it's

3908
02:39:12,309 --> 02:39:09,520
really really true

3909
02:39:15,830 --> 02:39:12,319
and when you get to the end of the road

3910
02:39:18,070 --> 02:39:15,840
right and you're in your 70s 75

3911
02:39:21,110 --> 02:39:18,080
do you want to be that old lady that

3912
02:39:23,429 --> 02:39:21,120
says you know what i almost did what i

3913
02:39:25,110 --> 02:39:23,439
really loved but i didn't

3914
02:39:26,790 --> 02:39:25,120
you don't want to be that you don't want

3915
02:39:28,710 --> 02:39:26,800
to be saying those words you don't want

3916
02:39:31,349 --> 02:39:28,720
to be the woman with a billion cats i

3917
02:39:33,429 --> 02:39:31,359
totally agree

3918
02:39:34,790 --> 02:39:33,439
well if that makes you happy

3919
02:39:35,590 --> 02:39:34,800
but

3920
02:39:37,590 --> 02:39:35,600
so

3921
02:39:39,750 --> 02:39:37,600
you know but you're exactly right don't

3922
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:39,760
worry about anybody else if i was

3923
02:39:44,309 --> 02:39:42,000
worried about the

3924
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:44,319
the uh the critics

3925
02:39:49,670 --> 02:39:48,080
or the criticism or the negativity this

3926
02:39:51,349 --> 02:39:49,680
show would have never happened and you

3927
02:39:52,710 --> 02:39:51,359
and i wouldn't be talking right now and

3928
02:39:54,070 --> 02:39:52,720
you know what that would have sucked

3929
02:39:55,830 --> 02:39:54,080
right

3930
02:39:57,910 --> 02:39:55,840
yeah and i just wanted to say i think

3931
02:39:58,710 --> 02:39:57,920
that you're famous you're famous to me

3932
02:40:00,790 --> 02:39:58,720
and

3933
02:40:02,630 --> 02:40:00,800
a lot of other people so

3934
02:40:04,950 --> 02:40:02,640
you know as i get older i'm like well

3935
02:40:06,950 --> 02:40:04,960
what is self-worth what is what is

3936
02:40:08,950 --> 02:40:06,960
success

3937
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:08,960
and you know i think that you've nailed

3938
02:40:12,790 --> 02:40:10,880
it dude you're cool

3939
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:12,800
thank you so much leanna behave and be

3940
02:40:17,030 --> 02:40:14,800
well where are you calling from

3941
02:40:19,510 --> 02:40:17,040
i'm calling from pensacola florida

3942
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:19,520
pensacola florida will behave and be

3943
02:40:22,870 --> 02:40:21,760
well and don't be a stranger to this

3944
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:22,880
show

3945
02:40:26,790 --> 02:40:24,880
i won't and love to you and read it

3946
02:40:29,030 --> 02:40:26,800
thank you so much leanna behave thank

3947
02:40:30,550 --> 02:40:29,040
you thank you bye-bye

3948
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:30,560
that's a great phone call right there

3949
02:40:37,110 --> 02:40:32,800
that's exactly right and that's how we

3950
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:37,120
play it you know do not do not worry

3951
02:40:39,670 --> 02:40:38,319
about

3952
02:40:42,230 --> 02:40:39,680
critics

3953
02:40:43,270 --> 02:40:42,240
don't worry about losing somebody

3954
02:40:44,870 --> 02:40:43,280
because

3955
02:40:46,469 --> 02:40:44,880
what did i say

3956
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:46,479
what did mitch say

3957
02:40:51,750 --> 02:40:49,760
right you can't be worried about that

3958
02:40:57,830 --> 02:40:51,760
don't be scared

3959
02:40:59,590 --> 02:40:57,840
that makes you happy

3960
02:41:03,750 --> 02:40:59,600
only you know that

3961
02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:03,760
and nail it

3962
02:41:11,030 --> 02:41:09,040
if your life will change

3963
02:41:13,429 --> 02:41:11,040
uh you will glow

3964
02:41:16,550 --> 02:41:13,439
and not only that you are going to

3965
02:41:18,309 --> 02:41:16,560
attract other positive beings

3966
02:41:19,990 --> 02:41:18,319
right and they you you're just going to

3967
02:41:22,230 --> 02:41:20,000
look around and go wow things are so

3968
02:41:24,710 --> 02:41:22,240
much different you know and and and just

3969
02:41:27,910 --> 02:41:24,720
think about that don't worry about don't

3970
02:41:29,429 --> 02:41:27,920
be scared don't worry about anything do

3971
02:41:31,110 --> 02:41:29,439
your thing

3972
02:41:34,150 --> 02:41:31,120
the reason why

3973
02:41:36,030 --> 02:41:34,160
i am here is because i am happy i get to

3974
02:41:38,870 --> 02:41:36,040
hang out with all of you i'm doing

3975
02:41:40,550 --> 02:41:38,880
exactly what i want to do i don't want

3976
02:41:42,630 --> 02:41:40,560
to do anything else

3977
02:41:44,870 --> 02:41:42,640
right i don't play guitar

3978
02:41:46,230 --> 02:41:44,880
as much as i should

3979
02:41:49,110 --> 02:41:46,240
right

3980
02:41:50,790 --> 02:41:49,120
my my life is is this this is what makes

3981
02:41:53,750 --> 02:41:50,800
me happy i

3982
02:41:54,469 --> 02:41:53,760
i used to build model cars right i've

3983
02:42:01,990 --> 02:41:54,479
got

3984
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:02,000
literally packed of models that i have

3985
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:04,080
built over the years i used to sit i

3986
02:42:09,110 --> 02:42:06,960
mean i've got airbrush machines

3987
02:42:11,270 --> 02:42:09,120
i've got all of the

3988
02:42:13,990 --> 02:42:11,280
tools and things and

3989
02:42:16,550 --> 02:42:14,000
oh man and i've i've built i've

3990
02:42:18,870 --> 02:42:16,560
probably built hundreds

3991
02:42:20,230 --> 02:42:18,880
hundreds and and i even got rita

3992
02:42:21,670 --> 02:42:20,240
involved rita would be over there

3993
02:42:23,750 --> 02:42:21,680
airbrushing and

3994
02:42:24,790 --> 02:42:23,760
and and we built i i don't do that

3995
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:24,800
anymore

3996
02:42:30,309 --> 02:42:27,359
now i i got a lot of enjoyment out of

3997
02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:30,319
that but they are sitting in in boxes

3998
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:32,880
now i don't even i used to have shelves

3999
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:35,439
and displays and lights and

4000
02:42:40,389 --> 02:42:38,720
and little things and scenes and i oh

4001
02:42:42,630 --> 02:42:40,399
man i was so into it

4002
02:42:44,469 --> 02:42:42,640
but i don't have time for that anymore

4003
02:42:45,750 --> 02:42:44,479
what makes me happy is what i'm doing

4004
02:42:47,830 --> 02:42:45,760
right here

4005
02:42:49,349 --> 02:42:47,840
you know and i talked about this my

4006
02:42:52,630 --> 02:42:49,359
stupid ear

4007
02:42:54,790 --> 02:42:52,640
you know i forget about my ear

4008
02:42:58,469 --> 02:42:54,800
when i'm here hanging out with you

4009
02:42:59,429 --> 02:42:58,479
you know it's my escape and i am just so

4010
02:43:05,349 --> 02:42:59,439
happy

4011
02:43:06,309 --> 02:43:05,359
i can only imagine and uh

4012
02:43:09,750 --> 02:43:06,319
that

4013
02:43:11,349 --> 02:43:09,760
maybe in the back of my mind

4014
02:43:13,429 --> 02:43:11,359
that i didn't want to tell anybody i

4015
02:43:15,510 --> 02:43:13,439
wanted to be on the radio

4016
02:43:18,150 --> 02:43:15,520
i didn't want to hear any

4017
02:43:20,550 --> 02:43:18,160
dude you on the radio you know i

4018
02:43:22,389 --> 02:43:20,560
okay so i kept it to myself

4019
02:43:25,590 --> 02:43:22,399
you know it wasn't something that i i

4020
02:43:28,630 --> 02:43:25,600
discussed with people but one day rita

4021
02:43:31,030 --> 02:43:28,640
and i decided we're gonna do this

4022
02:43:32,550 --> 02:43:31,040
you know that's it and we were committed

4023
02:43:33,750 --> 02:43:32,560
and that's all you need to do whatever

4024
02:43:36,710 --> 02:43:33,760
it is

4025
02:43:38,230 --> 02:43:36,720
do it commit and make it happen let's go

4026
02:43:40,790 --> 02:43:38,240
back to the phones hi you're live on

4027
02:43:43,190 --> 02:43:40,800
fade to black who's calling

4028
02:43:47,349 --> 02:43:43,200
jimmy this is ray

4029
02:43:51,349 --> 02:43:47,359
also known as mr anonymous

4030
02:43:54,710 --> 02:43:51,359
yes ray mr anonymous how are you

4031
02:43:58,550 --> 02:43:54,720
i'm terrific jimmy hey

4032
02:44:00,710 --> 02:43:58,560
i really appreciate your intro tonight

4033
02:44:03,349 --> 02:44:00,720
um

4034
02:44:05,670 --> 02:44:03,359
and and not to complain but

4035
02:44:07,269 --> 02:44:05,680
i feel for what you're going through i

4036
02:44:10,150 --> 02:44:07,279
work to

4037
02:44:11,990 --> 02:44:10,160
i work at a metrology lab i was a lab

4038
02:44:15,190 --> 02:44:12,000
manager until i got fired from that

4039
02:44:18,790 --> 02:44:16,870
and that's cool

4040
02:44:21,510 --> 02:44:18,800
it is what it is

4041
02:44:24,469 --> 02:44:21,520
but i had i had walking pneumonia for a

4042
02:44:27,030 --> 02:44:24,479
month and a half and i didn't know it

4043
02:44:30,230 --> 02:44:27,040
i just know i yeah when i went home i

4044
02:44:32,070 --> 02:44:30,240
just i felt like crap all the time

4045
02:44:33,990 --> 02:44:32,080
i didn't want to do anything you know i

4046
02:44:36,070 --> 02:44:34,000
was just tired all the time

4047
02:44:38,630 --> 02:44:36,080
had trouble breathing i thought it was

4048
02:44:41,030 --> 02:44:38,640
and i i had moved i was living up in

4049
02:44:43,429 --> 02:44:41,040
turlock and now i'm in bakersfield of

4050
02:44:44,630 --> 02:44:43,439
all places probably the worst air

4051
02:44:46,309 --> 02:44:44,640
quality is

4052
02:44:48,230 --> 02:44:46,319
you know everything in san joaquin

4053
02:44:50,309 --> 02:44:48,240
valley kind of focuses on bakersfield

4054
02:44:51,990 --> 02:44:50,319
that sits there in the summertime yes it

4055
02:44:53,269 --> 02:44:52,000
does but

4056
02:44:56,070 --> 02:44:53,279
yeah

4057
02:44:57,590 --> 02:44:56,080
anyway uh got a nice house here in

4058
02:45:00,550 --> 02:44:57,600
bakersfield

4059
02:45:01,990 --> 02:45:00,560
brought all of my 11 cats down here with

4060
02:45:03,830 --> 02:45:02,000
me

4061
02:45:06,950 --> 02:45:03,840
they're all rescues

4062
02:45:09,030 --> 02:45:06,960
in turlock i was staying at a house

4063
02:45:12,070 --> 02:45:09,040
that i'd rented for 20 years one of the

4064
02:45:14,070 --> 02:45:12,080
conditions was no animals

4065
02:45:15,910 --> 02:45:14,080
and i actually got through that that

4066
02:45:18,230 --> 02:45:15,920
whole thing had been signing off the

4067
02:45:22,230 --> 02:45:18,240
house with them never finding out that i

4068
02:45:24,870 --> 02:45:22,240
had as many as 15 cats of the house

4069
02:45:25,990 --> 02:45:24,880
and that's a that's that's a challenge i

4070
02:45:28,309 --> 02:45:26,000
mean

4071
02:45:29,670 --> 02:45:28,319
you know what a uv light does with the

4072
02:45:31,990 --> 02:45:29,680
cat urine

4073
02:45:36,230 --> 02:45:32,000
you can find it immediately i was

4074
02:45:38,870 --> 02:45:36,240
scrubbing walls and floors for two weeks

4075
02:45:43,830 --> 02:45:38,880
wow anyway wow wow

4076
02:45:45,110 --> 02:45:43,840
but but um have you found your bliss

4077
02:45:47,349 --> 02:45:45,120
you know i

4078
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:47,359
what two years ago when i first started

4079
02:45:52,950 --> 02:45:49,120
listening to you

4080
02:45:56,230 --> 02:45:52,960
uh what a blessing that was seriously

4081
02:45:58,230 --> 02:45:56,240
and and and i have enjoyed every time i

4082
02:46:01,910 --> 02:45:58,240
listen to you on the radio

4083
02:46:02,870 --> 02:46:01,920
i mean you you are prime time in my book

4084
02:46:07,750 --> 02:46:02,880
if

4085
02:46:08,790 --> 02:46:07,760
may watch about five minutes of hannity

4086
02:46:11,510 --> 02:46:08,800
and then

4087
02:46:13,269 --> 02:46:11,520
ingram comes on and i say oh time for

4088
02:46:15,590 --> 02:46:13,279
fade black

4089
02:46:18,070 --> 02:46:15,600
and she's my cue to go turn that on and

4090
02:46:19,670 --> 02:46:18,080
turn the tv off and that's the best

4091
02:46:22,550 --> 02:46:19,680
therapy that i've done

4092
02:46:27,349 --> 02:46:25,429
as far as the bliss

4093
02:46:30,070 --> 02:46:27,359
you know

4094
02:46:31,910 --> 02:46:30,080
i have spurts i'll

4095
02:46:34,389 --> 02:46:31,920
i'll listen to music

4096
02:46:36,870 --> 02:46:34,399
you know i'm 65 and i remember

4097
02:46:39,590 --> 02:46:36,880
harry james and doug sacks and all those

4098
02:46:42,870 --> 02:46:39,600
guys down there and i couldn't get as

4099
02:46:45,269 --> 02:46:42,880
involved with all of that as i wanted to

4100
02:46:46,710 --> 02:46:45,279
my mentor was he taught me all of the

4101
02:46:47,990 --> 02:46:46,720
audio

4102
02:46:49,750 --> 02:46:48,000
uh

4103
02:46:52,309 --> 02:46:49,760
shoot i can't even discuss audio with

4104
02:46:54,630 --> 02:46:52,319
anybody else anymore they just there's

4105
02:46:56,469 --> 02:46:54,640
no one like my mentor left and when you

4106
02:46:57,830 --> 02:46:56,479
mentioned bob

4107
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:57,840
uh

4108
02:47:02,230 --> 02:47:00,399
that situation you talked about

4109
02:47:04,150 --> 02:47:02,240
yeah five minutes later after i was

4110
02:47:06,790 --> 02:47:04,160
thinking about a problem he'd call me on

4111
02:47:10,550 --> 02:47:06,800
the phone right and we and we were

4112
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:12,550
and i had known him ever since i was

4113
02:47:18,830 --> 02:47:15,920
dropped on his doorstep in 1985

4114
02:47:23,110 --> 02:47:18,840
because like your guest tonight

4115
02:47:24,790 --> 02:47:23,120
i my last drop of alcohol was 1985 and i

4116
02:47:27,670 --> 02:47:24,800
think the world is probably a better

4117
02:47:29,110 --> 02:47:27,680
place for everybody else because of that

4118
02:47:31,670 --> 02:47:29,120
and i have no issues with that

4119
02:47:32,950 --> 02:47:31,680
whatsoever i was truly blessed i i

4120
02:47:35,030 --> 02:47:32,960
didn't have to

4121
02:47:37,830 --> 02:47:35,040
side slip or go back out and find out

4122
02:47:39,830 --> 02:47:37,840
how bad it was

4123
02:47:42,950 --> 02:47:39,840
the truth was was

4124
02:47:45,750 --> 02:47:42,960
given to me as a gift and i found out

4125
02:47:48,389 --> 02:47:45,760
who i was at that point

4126
02:47:49,670 --> 02:47:48,399
and it's been a slow process

4127
02:47:52,790 --> 02:47:49,680
after that

4128
02:47:55,590 --> 02:47:52,800
hey i got top secret jobs at nasa

4129
02:47:57,990 --> 02:47:55,600
uh was offered top secret jobs at skunk

4130
02:47:59,670 --> 02:47:58,000
works i even turned down two jobs at

4131
02:48:01,510 --> 02:47:59,680
skunk works

4132
02:48:03,190 --> 02:48:01,520
and i'm still kind of

4133
02:48:04,870 --> 02:48:03,200
you know i'm a little upset about that

4134
02:48:07,590 --> 02:48:04,880
because i wouldn't know more about that

4135
02:48:09,269 --> 02:48:07,600
rich if i'd have taken if i find a job

4136
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:09,279
sure

4137
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:10,960
but

4138
02:48:15,590 --> 02:48:13,040
the bliss part of it you know the

4139
02:48:18,309 --> 02:48:15,600
meditation and all of that kind of stuff

4140
02:48:21,429 --> 02:48:18,319
that takes a severe devotion

4141
02:48:23,670 --> 02:48:21,439
and i really honestly am not there yet

4142
02:48:25,910 --> 02:48:23,680
i'll come home at the end of the day and

4143
02:48:27,429 --> 02:48:25,920
i'm just so tired

4144
02:48:29,670 --> 02:48:27,439
that i just want to sit down and do

4145
02:48:31,910 --> 02:48:29,680
nothing you know feed the cats get

4146
02:48:34,870 --> 02:48:31,920
myself a bite to eat and i'll just

4147
02:48:38,389 --> 02:48:34,880
vegetate for about a half an hour

4148
02:48:42,150 --> 02:48:38,399
and unlike you i'm not really doing

4149
02:48:43,670 --> 02:48:42,160
what i enjoy doing

4150
02:48:48,389 --> 02:48:43,680
yeah

4151
02:48:51,429 --> 02:48:48,399
those things

4152
02:48:53,830 --> 02:48:51,439
that only you don't have to verbalize it

4153
02:48:55,990 --> 02:48:53,840
right now with me that's not my intent

4154
02:48:59,030 --> 02:48:56,000
but only you

4155
02:49:03,110 --> 02:48:59,040
know your little secret

4156
02:49:05,030 --> 02:49:03,120
only you right and and whatever that

4157
02:49:08,550 --> 02:49:05,040
thing is

4158
02:49:11,190 --> 02:49:08,560
go and do it well if it's legal right

4159
02:49:13,670 --> 02:49:11,200
you know whatever i'm not saying your

4160
02:49:14,790 --> 02:49:13,680
little secret is robbing banks or or

4161
02:49:16,070 --> 02:49:14,800
whatever

4162
02:49:19,670 --> 02:49:16,080
um but

4163
02:49:23,110 --> 02:49:19,680
but if you know whatever that thing is

4164
02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:23,120
that you've always wanted to do

4165
02:49:29,750 --> 02:49:26,640
right go and do it you're 65.

4166
02:49:31,429 --> 02:49:29,760
man the time is now ray

4167
02:49:33,990 --> 02:49:31,439
quit what do you what are you farting

4168
02:49:36,230 --> 02:49:34,000
around for go and do it i

4169
02:49:38,309 --> 02:49:36,240
that's the thing is you know

4170
02:49:40,950 --> 02:49:38,319
when you say okay go ahead and dream

4171
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:40,960
dream big go do your dream

4172
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:42,080
it's like

4173
02:49:46,710 --> 02:49:44,000
damn i don't have any dreams i've been

4174
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:46,720
in the workforce for 42 years

4175
02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:49,600
and i'm worked out i really it's gonna

4176
02:49:54,230 --> 02:49:51,520
take some time getting in contact with

4177
02:49:55,590 --> 02:49:54,240
ray yeah yeah i hear you there too my

4178
02:49:58,309 --> 02:49:55,600
friend i do

4179
02:50:00,389 --> 02:49:58,319
i do but you know that's why

4180
02:50:02,870 --> 02:50:00,399
uh you know not only fade to black is

4181
02:50:05,590 --> 02:50:02,880
here but a guest like mitch horowitz

4182
02:50:07,590 --> 02:50:05,600
uh will get you to think because that's

4183
02:50:09,349 --> 02:50:07,600
why you made this phone call

4184
02:50:13,110 --> 02:50:09,359
you know that's the truth that's the

4185
02:50:15,510 --> 02:50:13,120
truth so yeah go and do it go and think

4186
02:50:17,429 --> 02:50:15,520
all right ray anonymous go do your thing

4187
02:50:20,230 --> 02:50:17,439
man and uh

4188
02:50:22,630 --> 02:50:20,240
i'll see you tomorrow night right here

4189
02:50:24,710 --> 02:50:22,640
jimmy thanks very much and and say hello

4190
02:50:26,950 --> 02:50:24,720
to rita i sure will ray thank you so

4191
02:50:27,910 --> 02:50:26,960
much i always enjoy the phone calls with

4192
02:50:28,870 --> 02:50:27,920
ray

4193
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:28,880
and

4194
02:50:33,269 --> 02:50:31,120
it's the truth it's the truth

4195
02:50:36,630 --> 02:50:33,279
if if you

4196
02:50:39,269 --> 02:50:36,640
get inspired by tonight's show where you

4197
02:50:41,110 --> 02:50:39,279
just sit back and go you know

4198
02:50:43,990 --> 02:50:41,120
church is right

4199
02:50:45,750 --> 02:50:44,000
there's this one thing you know all

4200
02:50:48,070 --> 02:50:45,760
right i've been beating around you know

4201
02:50:51,110 --> 02:50:48,080
what all right all right

4202
02:50:53,510 --> 02:50:51,120
that that right there we all win

4203
02:50:55,670 --> 02:50:53,520
the world wins

4204
02:50:56,870 --> 02:50:55,680
we all win so think about that let's go

4205
02:50:59,110 --> 02:50:56,880
back to the phones how you're live on

4206
02:51:01,590 --> 02:50:59,120
fade to black who's calling

4207
02:51:03,349 --> 02:51:01,600
mr jimmy church how are you hey scott

4208
02:51:05,110 --> 02:51:03,359
how are you

4209
02:51:07,429 --> 02:51:05,120
damn you you know my voice every time i

4210
02:51:10,309 --> 02:51:07,439
call in uh no i don't i i know your

4211
02:51:14,469 --> 02:51:10,319
phone number so uh

4212
02:51:16,950 --> 02:51:14,479
so scott uh have you found your bliss

4213
02:51:21,590 --> 02:51:16,960
i have i have my friend i really have

4214
02:51:21,600 --> 02:51:26,150
don't stop there

4215
02:51:29,110 --> 02:51:27,349
jimmy

4216
02:51:31,349 --> 02:51:29,120
i left

4217
02:51:34,550 --> 02:51:31,359
rock and roll business

4218
02:51:37,349 --> 02:51:34,560
and uh i took a hard left turn

4219
02:51:41,510 --> 02:51:37,359
and decided that

4220
02:51:44,389 --> 02:51:41,520
i am going to not be an old rocker like

4221
02:51:47,190 --> 02:51:44,399
icky pop and decide to make a family and

4222
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:47,200
try to become a normal human being

4223
02:51:50,150 --> 02:51:48,880
and when i did that

4224
02:51:52,389 --> 02:51:50,160
it became

4225
02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:52,399
a very very

4226
02:51:56,230 --> 02:51:55,120
very hard journey and

4227
02:51:57,990 --> 02:51:56,240
i

4228
02:52:00,150 --> 02:51:58,000
purchased

4229
02:52:01,990 --> 02:52:00,160
from my road manager he had some hubcap

4230
02:52:04,630 --> 02:52:02,000
in will stores and

4231
02:52:06,070 --> 02:52:04,640
from that point on i just dedicated

4232
02:52:09,030 --> 02:52:06,080
myself to

4233
02:52:10,790 --> 02:52:09,040
trying to make myself a

4234
02:52:14,070 --> 02:52:10,800
human being that would make

4235
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:14,080
just the right decision from there on in

4236
02:52:20,389 --> 02:52:17,520
does that make sense it does and

4237
02:52:22,630 --> 02:52:20,399
are you happy

4238
02:52:25,429 --> 02:52:22,640
i am very happy i'm very happy and

4239
02:52:27,590 --> 02:52:25,439
sometimes i'm too happy and i have to

4240
02:52:29,830 --> 02:52:27,600
calm myself down

4241
02:52:32,550 --> 02:52:29,840
and that's the point

4242
02:52:34,870 --> 02:52:32,560
that's that's exactly the point i mean

4243
02:52:37,830 --> 02:52:34,880
so where you are today

4244
02:52:40,389 --> 02:52:37,840
you wouldn't change a thing and that's

4245
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:40,399
what's most important i i when i said

4246
02:52:45,269 --> 02:52:42,960
tonight uh my opening rant

4247
02:52:46,950 --> 02:52:45,279
uh i may sound like i'm complaining i am

4248
02:52:51,349 --> 02:52:46,960
not i am thankful

4249
02:52:52,389 --> 02:52:51,359
um and rita and i would not change a

4250
02:52:54,150 --> 02:52:52,399
thing

4251
02:52:57,190 --> 02:52:54,160
we would not change there's there's

4252
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:57,200
nothing there's nothing that we would do

4253
02:53:00,389 --> 02:52:58,160
different

4254
02:53:03,349 --> 02:53:00,399
you know not not a single thing

4255
02:53:05,990 --> 02:53:03,359
and that is what's most important is

4256
02:53:08,630 --> 02:53:06,000
that we are happy and anybody that's

4257
02:53:10,469 --> 02:53:08,640
around us you're around us uh we've got

4258
02:53:13,750 --> 02:53:10,479
a small circle of friends that are

4259
02:53:16,630 --> 02:53:13,760
around us they will all attest

4260
02:53:19,110 --> 02:53:16,640
to what rita and i are about we are real

4261
02:53:21,590 --> 02:53:19,120
our feet are on the ground and we just

4262
02:53:23,269 --> 02:53:21,600
do our thing we have no outside forces

4263
02:53:26,950 --> 02:53:23,279
that are pulling on us

4264
02:53:30,230 --> 02:53:26,960
uh we the reason why fade to black is

4265
02:53:32,469 --> 02:53:30,240
what it is is because it's uh

4266
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:32,479
by design it's us

4267
02:53:36,150 --> 02:53:34,560
right it's nothing more than that and

4268
02:53:37,670 --> 02:53:36,160
people want to make

4269
02:53:38,710 --> 02:53:37,680
uh

4270
02:53:39,910 --> 02:53:38,720
you know

4271
02:53:41,670 --> 02:53:39,920
how do i want to say this i'm going to

4272
02:53:43,429 --> 02:53:41,680
say this in a polite way they want to

4273
02:53:45,510 --> 02:53:43,439
make fade to black something that it

4274
02:53:47,110 --> 02:53:45,520
isn't right they want to make me

4275
02:53:49,349 --> 02:53:47,120
something that i'm not

4276
02:53:51,670 --> 02:53:49,359
they want to you know by the power of

4277
02:53:53,910 --> 02:53:51,680
suggestion like he was saying mitch said

4278
02:53:55,190 --> 02:53:53,920
earlier you know with gossip and none of

4279
02:53:57,510 --> 02:53:55,200
it is true

4280
02:54:01,429 --> 02:53:57,520
you know only the people that are around

4281
02:54:04,230 --> 02:54:01,439
us know what is real and they laugh

4282
02:54:06,550 --> 02:54:04,240
they laugh at all the negatives because

4283
02:54:09,349 --> 02:54:06,560
it's all made up you know and and that's

4284
02:54:12,309 --> 02:54:09,359
what is hilarious you know and

4285
02:54:15,110 --> 02:54:12,319
we're happy i i can attest jimmy that

4286
02:54:16,389 --> 02:54:15,120
everybody and everyone that circles

4287
02:54:19,910 --> 02:54:16,399
around you

4288
02:54:21,190 --> 02:54:19,920
uh are very decent human beings and um

4289
02:54:24,389 --> 02:54:21,200
very polite

4290
02:54:26,150 --> 02:54:24,399
and you yourself are very very very

4291
02:54:28,230 --> 02:54:26,160
polite and uh

4292
02:54:30,230 --> 02:54:28,240
and conduct yourself as a gentleman and

4293
02:54:32,550 --> 02:54:30,240
and i i i don't know anybody would come

4294
02:54:33,670 --> 02:54:32,560
off as seen anything differently than

4295
02:54:36,389 --> 02:54:33,680
that

4296
02:54:39,110 --> 02:54:36,399
yeah yeah it's it's funny when i you

4297
02:54:41,830 --> 02:54:39,120
know i see some posts and i immediately

4298
02:54:44,070 --> 02:54:41,840
just like delete block right but i see

4299
02:54:46,790 --> 02:54:44,080
the paul you know the post start off or

4300
02:54:49,190 --> 02:54:46,800
some email or some tweet you know you

4301
02:54:50,950 --> 02:54:49,200
know uh you know jimmy and rita are

4302
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:50,960
doing this or they're you know they're

4303
02:54:56,550 --> 02:54:53,600
they're it's like

4304
02:54:58,950 --> 02:54:56,560
you know it's it's hilarious

4305
02:55:00,870 --> 02:54:58,960
it's hilarious and and we don't

4306
02:55:02,469 --> 02:55:00,880
subscribe to it we just don't we don't

4307
02:55:03,990 --> 02:55:02,479
pay attention

4308
02:55:05,830 --> 02:55:04,000
i've got to ask you something now you

4309
02:55:07,990 --> 02:55:05,840
you have this inner ear problem and i

4310
02:55:09,910 --> 02:55:08,000
did about a year ago

4311
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:09,920
and um i got to ask you something

4312
02:55:13,590 --> 02:55:11,840
because when we were talking about this

4313
02:55:15,750 --> 02:55:13,600
when i was talking about

4314
02:55:16,550 --> 02:55:15,760
my bigfoot experience

4315
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:16,560
and

4316
02:55:20,469 --> 02:55:18,160
i had mentioned something that who

4317
02:55:22,790 --> 02:55:20,479
created that inner ear the vertical

4318
02:55:24,630 --> 02:55:22,800
horizontal diagonal and the crystals

4319
02:55:26,550 --> 02:55:24,640
that float around in ears

4320
02:55:28,830 --> 02:55:26,560
and you've got to you got to really look

4321
02:55:32,309 --> 02:55:28,840
at this in a deep

4322
02:55:33,590 --> 02:55:32,319
um conceptual um

4323
02:55:35,110 --> 02:55:33,600
why not say this i don't know what to

4324
02:55:37,190 --> 02:55:35,120
say but

4325
02:55:40,309 --> 02:55:37,200
it is your your inner ear is a

4326
02:55:42,950 --> 02:55:40,319
floatation device and there's crystals

4327
02:55:45,190 --> 02:55:42,960
that are in that inner ear

4328
02:55:47,349 --> 02:55:45,200
that will tell you if you're going up

4329
02:55:49,110 --> 02:55:47,359
down diagonal

4330
02:55:50,630 --> 02:55:49,120
and if one of those crystals get

4331
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:50,640
dislodged

4332
02:55:54,710 --> 02:55:52,640
you're going to go a different way that

4333
02:55:55,910 --> 02:55:54,720
you'll never believe and i i felt like a

4334
02:55:58,870 --> 02:55:55,920
couple times

4335
02:56:01,349 --> 02:55:58,880
that i was floating down 17 stories

4336
02:56:03,349 --> 02:56:01,359
down a building and that was because i

4337
02:56:05,110 --> 02:56:03,359
do a lot of mountain bike riding so i

4338
02:56:07,110 --> 02:56:05,120
don't know what you're experiencing but

4339
02:56:10,469 --> 02:56:07,120
you've got to ask yourself who designed

4340
02:56:12,469 --> 02:56:10,479
that this is a grand design

4341
02:56:15,510 --> 02:56:12,479
well you know what's uh what's really

4342
02:56:17,269 --> 02:56:15,520
funny in this seven month journey of

4343
02:56:19,750 --> 02:56:17,279
this chronic

4344
02:56:21,190 --> 02:56:19,760
uh ear situation

4345
02:56:25,030 --> 02:56:21,200
uh

4346
02:56:27,269 --> 02:56:25,040
so many different every single type of

4347
02:56:29,269 --> 02:56:27,279
medication and treatment has been done

4348
02:56:30,070 --> 02:56:29,279
okay everything from

4349
02:56:37,349 --> 02:56:30,080
uh

4350
02:56:38,550 --> 02:56:37,359
maneuver all right

4351
02:56:40,950 --> 02:56:38,560
hold on

4352
02:56:42,550 --> 02:56:40,960
uh antibiotics and steroids and

4353
02:56:45,429 --> 02:56:42,560
antihistamines

4354
02:56:49,030 --> 02:56:45,439
and and everything

4355
02:56:51,590 --> 02:56:49,040
seemed to have helped

4356
02:56:54,150 --> 02:56:51,600
and then it comes back and it comes back

4357
02:56:56,550 --> 02:56:54,160
stronger and it's you know and i've been

4358
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:56,560
going on this this roller coaster and

4359
02:57:01,030 --> 02:56:59,680
it's it's it's just been gnarly

4360
02:57:06,150 --> 02:57:01,040
gnarly

4361
02:57:08,309 --> 02:57:06,160
everybody's energy coming this way i've

4362
02:57:09,510 --> 02:57:08,319
exposed it now everybody knows what's

4363
02:57:12,230 --> 02:57:09,520
going on

4364
02:57:15,429 --> 02:57:12,240
and uh there you go it

4365
02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:15,439
uh are you facing vertigo uh i don't

4366
02:57:18,630 --> 02:57:17,120
want to get into you know what i don't

4367
02:57:19,830 --> 02:57:18,640
even want to talk about it i don't even

4368
02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:19,840
want to talk about it okay let's just

4369
02:57:24,469 --> 02:57:22,000
get let's just get let's just get the

4370
02:57:26,630 --> 02:57:24,479
energy flowing this way and and the

4371
02:57:27,750 --> 02:57:26,640
power of this audience will fix things

4372
02:57:29,510 --> 02:57:27,760
and there you go

4373
02:57:32,630 --> 02:57:29,520
you know and can i ask you one more

4374
02:57:40,070 --> 02:57:34,469
you know as i was growing up and you've

4375
02:57:45,429 --> 02:57:42,150
okay what scares me the most

4376
02:57:46,870 --> 02:57:45,439
what is worse is the man has lost

4377
02:57:48,790 --> 02:57:46,880
everything

4378
02:57:51,190 --> 02:57:48,800
and where are we going from here jimmy

4379
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where are we going

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you know and it just seems like uh at

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one point we were on the right track and

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we've just come unglued you know and

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we've lost sight of of everything that

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we learned and we're taught thousands of

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years ago it just all went out the

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window and with that scott i gotta roll

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credits and i gotta get out of here

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you're my last caller of the night

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behave and be well stay dry

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i will you got it my brother i love you

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love you back scott thank you so much

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that's scott the rocker right there

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fade to black's executive producer is

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rita kumarian

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show is produced by hilton j palmer

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renee dennis and bob announcers are

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aldridge intro spaceboy

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spaceboymusic.com fade to black is

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produced by kjcr for the game changer

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network and syndication is kgra

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the planet thank you mitch horowitz

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mitch

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horowitz.com you can follow him on

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twitter at mitch horowitz amazing

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conversation tonight this broadcast zone

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and the game changer network it cannot

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the game changer network i'm your host

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jimmy church follow me on twitter right

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now

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at j

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church radio tomorrow night is our soul

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